System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life • Hacker News Board

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by vorpalhex » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:13 PM UTC

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #243

sneak wrote: post #196

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I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…

I have used 1080p all my life and never thought that I need it to be higher resolution. So for me the risk of Linux high DPI support not working, high cost and higher power usage make no sense to me.

Don't knock it till you try it. 80% of my usage is text - terminal, code or my notes. Even most of my web usage is text.

I won't go less than a high dpi screen, preferably near 4k.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by ta8903 » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #196

sschueller wrote: post #166

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I don't know who decided shinny screens are better but they aren't for me. Maybe they slightly reproduce color more accurately but most people are not graphic designers. Matt screens exist for a reason and can't just dismiss them as being inferior when they specifically solve a problem many have. Maybe they sell better in a store but so do touch screens in cars. Once you however want to use them you realize the mista…

I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…

I don't know if there's data to support this but from what I can tell Linux users are just poorer on average. So it's not like they think low res screens are "sufficient", most of them just don't think it's justified to pay twice as much for a better screen and the market just reflects this. Or maybe I'm just projecting my own views on the issue.

Doesn't matter though because things are changing, native Linux device makers like S76 and Tuxedo provide have started providing 4k screens on their models.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by gcbirzan » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

psanford wrote: post #209

Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.

I have a 2019 Macbook Pro, and the only 'nice' part about the hardware are the speakers. Everything else is either meh or absolutely terrible (okay, the screen is okay too).

Compared to a cheap HP I have, the touchpad is slightly better, but since the touchpad is huge I trigger it more on the Mac, the keyboard is annoying because it has a fn key on the bottom row on the left, rather than ctrl and don't get me started on the touchbar. The fingerprint scanner... mostly works. The SSD is fucking slow, 10k IOPS. The laptop gets unberably hot when connected to an external display, since it cannot use the builtin video card. Fans can be adjusted to be at full speed... until you go into sleep, at which point they reset, so it gets hot again. I'm also not impressed by the battery life, it's probably the same as said 500EUR HP, sometimes even less (yes, fuck zoom, and the 1h battery life it gives me)

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Synaesthesia » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #229

sschueller wrote: post #166

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I don't know who decided shinny screens are better but they aren't for me. Maybe they slightly reproduce color more accurately but most people are not graphic designers. Matt screens exist for a reason and can't just dismiss them as being inferior when they specifically solve a problem many have. Maybe they sell better in a store but so do touch screens in cars. Once you however want to use them you realize the mista…

I’m an artist and I am just as annoyed by reflections off the glass hiding what I’m doing as a programmer is. I have heard glossy screens took over largely because they look better in a store.

It has better contrast, deeper blacks. I find reflections just as big an issue on matte screens too.

Glossy screens sometimes have good antireflective coatings which help (new imacs, ipads eg)

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by mciancia » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

I's that just another rebrand from clevo or something like that or they actually did something on their own?

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Volundr » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

Saris wrote: post #221

hedora wrote: post #204

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Can you name one thing that a NOOB-friendly Linux requires the command line for that a technically illiterate user can accomplish in MacOS / Windows?

Changing mouse acceleration settings is one I ran into, there was no option in the UI at all and google searches brought up config file edits that went completely over my head. I think it was on either Pop or Fedora KDE. In windows it will come up by typing 'mouse' into start.

At least on my Arch KDE setup it's System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse and I've got an Acceleration Profile option between Flat or Adaptive. I can also just open up the settings and search for "acceleration" to get there. I can also just pop open the "start menu" (or whatever you choose to call it for KDE) and type "acceleration" and the first option is "Mouse"

I'm not sure if Windows has finer grained control in the GUI or not, but TBH I've also never ran into anyone but a techie (and very few of them) who had mouse acceleration set to anything non-standard.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by kingboss » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

pachico wrote: post #157

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

A someone that codes and reads code most of the day, matte screen is actually a must for me. To be fair, I don't even consider apple laptops mainly for this reason.

Unless you are coding in the sun it's not a problem.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by addicted » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:26 PM UTC

gcbirzan wrote: post #248

Saris wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing mouse acceleration settings is one I ran into, there was no option in the UI at all and google searches brought up config file edits that went completely over my head. I think it was on either Pop or Fedora KDE. In windows it will come up by typing 'mouse' into start.

And there is literally no way to do it on Mac. Or, you know, disable scroll acceleration, an abomination that needs to die.

This is quite typical of the kinds of things you need to “dip into the CLI” for Linux that people complain about.

Things that other OS’es usually don’t even allow.

Edit: Another issue with Linux configs is that since nearly every setting can be changed through the CLI, and it’s usually a single liner at that, most online resources tend to provide the single liner that one can use to copy/paste into the CLI to achieve what they want, because the alternative is providing like 10 screenshots for 15 steps for someone to try and painstakingly replicate with their mouse or trackpad.

The most common example of this is that pretty much every application will give its installation instructions as:

sudo apt install thunderbird (On gnome).

When you can just as well go to the software center, search thunderbird, and hit install. Or go to thunderbird.com, download the package and double click/install.

However, the CLI method is clearly far superior and easier, yet it leads to complaints about having to “dip into the CLI”.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jmondi » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:27 PM UTC

throwawaymaths wrote: post #241

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I went from a lemur 14" to a Mac m1 and the following things broke: - dual monitors were detected only as one monitor, and we're mirrored. - USB mouse (I disprefer Bluetooth mice) would have to be unplugged and plugged back in if the laptop went to sleep - no home/end keys - I had installed all of my corporate 2FA stuff on safari and safari would randomly drop me from Google meets. No other browser had this issue. Th…

The monitor issue only happens the first time you plug in the monitor (like with every laptop or computer I’ve ever owned, even the Lemur Pro). After you setup your monitors, it remembers the setup every time you connect after.

Yeah agreed with a corded USB mouse, I just have mine plugged into my monitor, one usb c cable to my laptop for video, power, and data. Lemur Pro did this just as good as my Mac, no complaints there.

Home and end I’m pretty sure is just CMD + left arrow, and CMD + right arrow.

Totally agree, safari is a crap shoot. I used Firefox on my Lemur and on my Mac.

I actually ended up remapping my Lemur Pro so that the modifier keys matched the placement of a Mac. I like my main modifier (ctrl on Linux/win, cmd on Mac) to be the key just next to the space bar.

I liked the Lemur Pro a lot. Just trying to give some constructive feedback.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by addicted » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:29 PM UTC

tourist2d wrote: post #237

hedora wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name one thing that a NOOB-friendly Linux requires the command line for that a technically illiterate user can accomplish in MacOS / Windows?

Installing NVIDIA drivers?

Why would you be installing NVidia drivers in a machine that has come with Linux preloaded and graphics drivers already installed?

Oh, you’re doing an Apple to Oranges comparison between Linux manually installed on a machine vs Mac or Windows coming preloaded on the machine?

Because if you did an apples to apples comparison, any decent computer with Linux preinstalled will come with all the drivers installed as well. And when it comes to manually installing, installing drivers for Windows can also be a pain, and don’t even get started on trying to install Mac on a machine it didn’t come preinstalled on. Hackintoshes are hard to make work even for experts.