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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by klyrs »

serpix wrote: post #5
checker wrote: post #3

How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Why do you need to kill weeds? Adapt and stop having lawns.

A yard full of Japanese Knotweed is not lawn, but it is a big problem. Sadly, glyphosphate is one of the more effective treatments, but even it won't get rid of the stuff alone.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by nverno »

sudden_dystopia wrote: post #19

Yet another reason to avoid grains, soy, and processed foods. I would love to see some meat tested to see if it’s still detected in the meat after the animals eat the tainted corn.

Is there some indication it is more prevalent in processed foods? That wasn't indicated in the article afaict. Also, they mention it's used across a wider range of crops than just soy and grains sadly.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by whimsicalism »

stfp wrote: post #38
whimsicalism wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend you remind yourself of the HN rules. The evidence that glyphosate in fold causes cancer is currently really weak, albeit enough to convince a lay jury.

You're not responding to the parent's point. They're not saying that it causes or doesn't cause cancer. They're saying Monsanto and other multi billion dollar industrial players have permanent PR campaigns running that include posting on social media. I think that's obviously right and a big problem in terms of public discourse, at the very least, because it drowns out legitimate questions and concerns.

I am responding. Accusing others of astroturfing is a violation of HN guidelines.

FWIW, people seem to vastly overestimate the amount of astroturfing that they are experiencing, perhaps because they find it difficult to believe many people have different views than they do.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by stfp »

whimsicalism wrote: post #34
stfp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Maybe people just in general are opposed to removing car infrastructure and it is not some anti-democratic plot against your views? It's kind of sad that everyone thinks the person responding to them is a bit nowadays. In the vast majority of cases where I have looked into it, the person is not a "shill", but it is a convenient way to shy away from the actual arguments they are making. Unfortunately, that convenient…

I'm saying people repeating talking points from industry without realizing it, or having really considered them in any serious way. This extends to offline conversations with family / friends so it's not about shills.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by parineum »

jjulius wrote: post #15
pfdietz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me express my utter lack of confidence in your statement's connection to reality. The "gluten intolerance" should be a strong warning sign of Woo.

Not-so-hot take: Both of you are wrong to state with certainty whether this discovery of glyphosate in our urine is good or bad for us, or whether we should discard this because of "data torture". From the article: >Cynthia Curl, Boise State University assistant professor of community and environmental health, said it was “obviously concerning” that a large percentage of the US population is exposed to glyphosate, bu…

Only one of these people is wrong because only one is making or implying a statement of fact concerning a causal link that isn't shown in this paper and has never been shown in the past. Neither tried to make the claim that glyphosate in urine is a good thing.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

rasz wrote: post #27
pfdietz wrote: post #4

"Tied to cancer" in the sense of "if you torture data long enough, it will confess."

In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

Mister organic farmer, here is a plate of cow manure, eat it.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by nemo44x »

This is bad journalism. Glyphosate is not “linked” to cancer. Sone groups think it is “probably” a carcinogen but most every governing body around the world says it is not as there’s no proof of the link at all.

This is probably not journalism but rather propaganda designed to rally public support around glyphosate bans which we have seen in Germany and now the Netherlands. Farmers can still use it of course, but the ban is for home use. Even though it is safe to use when following the label.

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