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Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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Staying with the inlaws that use Rogers' reseller for wired internet. Using Fido for mobile internet access (also by Rogers). Zero internet. It's wild to discover how reliant I am on the internet: - Can't get around this city (no waze, gmaps). - Can't figure out what's going on (AM radio is non stop commercials) - Can't figure out where we might get some internet (maybe WeWork somewhere? How do you find one without i…

I'm genuinely curious now how you access HN.

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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It's not possible to pay with debit card in Canada because Interac is down, because Rogers is down. Many atm across the country aren't working. It's not just Rogers' client who are impacted, the whole banking ecosystem is impacted. Even rumors that Costco can only accept cash, the Capital One Mastercard network might be down. I don't see how Rogers could keep quiet on this, unless it's from some malicious actor.

Indeed, I can easily see them get dragged before a parliamentary inquiry.

Do those happen before or after the beer drinking with the regulators?

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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I suspect that was a reference to the Hudson's Bay Company. I would have to brush up on my history, but they effectively controlled a huge tract of land pre-Confederation and continued to serve many smaller towns until well into the 20th century. I don't think the Hudson's Bay Company was considered a crown corporation, but they were granted a royal charter.

Yes, HBC has a Royal Charter from King Charles II which granted HBC exclusive economic activity in the lands that drained into Hudson Bay. HBC lands were surrendered to the British government in 1868 ahead of confederation.

HBC (which is now a department store) was still required to give the crown 2 elks and 2 beavers whenever they visited Canada up until 1970.

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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Canadians like to complain about the lack of competition.

For wireless Freedom Mobile was independent from 2008 to 2016. Mobilicity was independent from 2010 to 2015.

They were always cheaper than the incumbents. However, they struggled to get customers because their coverage and speed lagged and they were eventually bought by incumbents for their wireless spectrum license.

The government tried to foster competition by letting them bid on spectrum set aside for new players. And removing strict foreign ownership rules.

Canada is a small market. Geographically larger than the US with the same population of California.

It's just not an attractive telecom investment.

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It's a great weigh-station for immigrants who want to eventually move to the US. Canada is easier to immigrate to as a high-skilled person.

> Canada is easier to immigrate to as a high-skilled person. False. > It's a great weigh-station for immigrants who want to eventually move to the US. Many do not, they move back home.

Many people who don't win the H-b lottery, or who do win the H1-b lottery but get turned down for an H1-b for other reasons, end up heading to Canada. Canada has a simple points-based residency system and it is very easy to get enough points if you have a bachelor degree and speak english fluently (already gets you a TON of points).

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No. "Crown Land" in Canada is owned by the provinces. There is no such thing as a "British Crown Corporation." Crown Corporations are a Canadian thing. I lived in Canada for 30 years and now live in the Scotland. CalMac and Scottish Water are not "Crown Corporations," but are nevertheless owned and controlled by the Scottish Ministers. This is contrast to BC Ferries, ICBC, and BC Hydro which are Crown Corporations. I…

You're at a National Park. In Canada, it's crown land. In America, it's your park. The Canadian mentality is different.

We also have national and provincial parks, Crown land is different. A national park is maintained for visitors and for nature, crown land is closer to unused or unclaimed land, generally nothing is done with it unless it's sold off. You are free to camp on crown land, but it's nothing like going to a park, it's full on wilderness camping with no amenities, sites, or anything else.

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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Staying with the inlaws that use Rogers' reseller for wired internet. Using Fido for mobile internet access (also by Rogers). Zero internet. It's wild to discover how reliant I am on the internet: - Can't get around this city (no waze, gmaps). - Can't figure out what's going on (AM radio is non stop commercials) - Can't figure out where we might get some internet (maybe WeWork somewhere? How do you find one without i…

> Can't get around this city (no waze, gmaps). offline gmaps! Thankfully Canada’s horrendous roaming and overage charges has taught me how to use my cell phone effectively without service. (Also have the entirety of Wikipedia on my phone, thanks kiwix!)

How much storage does Wikipedia take up?

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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The utterly inefficient and overpriced Canadian telecoms exist only because we allow one specific behavior: 1. A new local player comes to town, builds their own infrastructure (e.g. connects one building to fiber) and starts offering competitive service. 2. Rogers/Shaw/Bell/Telus immediately offer better terms for the residents of that building. 3. The competitor runs out of money and leaves. 4. The telecoms revert…

Curious though what the government could do about this pricing scheme here? Seems like the solution is to setup a bureaucracy to watch pricing and then micro-manage the situation whenever its tried? The ride-hailing services pulled this in various places around the world. Airlines in Canada did it as well. Feels like whack-a-mole.

the government is the reason there is such a triopoly - Bell/Telus/Rogers is a triopoly set up and supported by the government itself. The CRTC last mile service rule (forcing the triopoly to let other vendors use their physical cabling) is the only thing holding back a complete closed market.

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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> Can't get around this city (no waze, gmaps). offline gmaps! Thankfully Canada’s horrendous roaming and overage charges has taught me how to use my cell phone effectively without service. (Also have the entirety of Wikipedia on my phone, thanks kiwix!)

How much storage does Wikipedia take up?

88gb for English

Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers

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I know many countries have problems but Canada is in a okay spot. Specific cities have looming crisis on their hands but this is largely the fault of provincial governance. Little of that I attribute to Canada as a hole, I just find BC in particular to be quite mediocre in terms of value compared to what you pay.

with the massive property price increases that have taken place Canada has become even more mediocre than ever before. With the increases we've seen some movement out of Toronto and Vancouver areas into other areas of the country, driving up prices even more. Young people are basically out of luck in terms of hopes of ever owning property. I know multiple immigrants who are talking about returning to their previous country, or trying to figure out getting legal in the US.

There isn't enough housing nor enough being built. Discussing immigration is not allowed, socially speaking.

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