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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

irusensei wrote: post #330
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gun Buybacks were incredibly successful in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre and now we have f*ck all gun violence. Funny that.

My home country has scrict gun ownership laws. It is almost impossible for a citizen to get a gun and even when he does other rules applies to carrying and loading. Last time I've checked we had around 60000 gun related deaths every year.

If you were less obscure about which country that was maybe we could probe into why those deaths happen but you weren't so we cant.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by achenet »

chii wrote: post #94
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

Strongly disagree.

Access to powerful firearms vastly increases how damaging shootings are.

Compare the single death in a decade for Japan to the hundreds, if not thousands of deaths per year from gun violence in the US[0] [1]. Keeping guns out of circulation reduces gun deaths.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by fennecfoxy »

cowtools wrote: post #192
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of…

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

Lmao "the right to bear arms" domestically is going to what, stop a land invasion by Russia or something to the tune of that?

Somehow, I don't think so. Instead it's just allowing you and yours to kill each other. As a Kiwi living in the UK: gun control works, it really does.

Also, falling into a regime? Your current political atmosphere is that a regime of extremely conservative people who are pretty much the major group to own guns in America are trying to devolve human rights in your country. So really, in a way, you already have a regime trying to take over and _they_ have all the guns already.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by mgdlbp »

threatofrain wrote: post #316
Legogris wrote: post #258

Update from NHK: The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade. No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs. 14…

Link is broken. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-08/former-j...

Since when did news sites retract by memory-holing? Not even a 410...

Archive of originally submitted link (archive.org crawler was blocked for 'unusual traffic'): https://archive.today/2022.07.08-043358/https://www.bloomber... / https://web.archive.org/web/0/https://webcache.googleusercon...

Edit: Some parts of the original text are in their new article at https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-08/abe-in-gr...

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by phantomathkg »

Legogris wrote: post #308
Legogris wrote: post #258

Update from NHK: The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade. No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs. 14…

~17:50: Ex-PM Abe officially pronounced dead.

exact time, 17:03. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-ex-prime-mi...

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by bismuthcrystal »

Hamuko wrote: post #319
lazide wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like it was home made. Guns are not complicated machines, anyone motivated with even basic household tools can make one if they want to do so. And it looks like someone did.

Although in this case, the suspect had worked for the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, so it wasn't just your average person off the street. At least I imagine that being in the navy would entail much more domain knowledge about firearms than your lay perosn.

Not enough of a difference to make a difference. Single use shotguns from smooth pipes and black powder are very simple. Any lay person can figure it out.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by otherme123 »

palmetieri2000 wrote: post #331
irusensei wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My home country has scrict gun ownership laws. It is almost impossible for a citizen to get a gun and even when he does other rules applies to carrying and loading. Last time I've checked we had around 60000 gun related deaths every year.

If you were less obscure about which country that was maybe we could probe into why those deaths happen but you weren't so we cant.

It's Brazil, no other country in the world has more than 40,000 firearm deaths per year.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by sofixa »

cowtools wrote: post #278
sofixa wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime Yet funnily when that was in the process of happening (Trump's failed coup attempt) not only were there no "good guys with guns" against the regime, all the guys with the guns were for the regime trying to make a coup.

Because the leftist opposition (like you) are anti-gun

Pardon me, but lol. I'm nowhere near the US, and indeed I'm further to the left than both of your right parties, even if I'm center/right of center for my country.

And there are plenty of US "liberals" who are "pro-gun", whatever that means.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by Nextgrid »

daenz wrote: post #170
mullingitover wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to aff…

Guns, but only for criminals and rich people? No thanks.

Better than having guns for criminals, rich people and unhinged teenagers looking to shoot their school.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by irusensei »

otherme123 wrote: post #337
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were less obscure about which country that was maybe we could probe into why those deaths happen but you weren't so we cant.

It's Brazil, no other country in the world has more than 40,000 firearm deaths per year.

Yeap. News about people getting killed during a robbery even after passively handling out their belongings without resistance are common occurrence.

Criminals still with plenty access to guns after 20 years of strict control regulations are emboldened by the fact that nobody can offer resistance.

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