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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by tmnvix »

cowtools wrote: post #204
cute_boi wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry, but it will stop if guns are banned for ordinary people. How many school shootings happen in China or India? I am taking china and india because they are populous and don't have gun distributed freely like in US. The fact is quantity matters in such cases. Having 1 incidence vs 10 or 20 is a huge difference.

There are hundreds of millions of americans. These mass shooting events are insignifigant in the grand scheme of things. I don't think we should give away our essential freedoms just so we can live in a "safe" country like... China and India?

There are something like 130m people in Japan and yet firearm homicides appear to be at least a couple of orders of magnitude less frequent:

"A 2022 report from the University of Washington revealing that, while the US had more than four firearm homicides per 100,000 people in 2019, Japan had almost zero. Comparing high-income countries in the World Bank with the rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 people, the US had 4.2, Australia had 0.18 and Japan 0.02, the report found."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/abe-shooting-w...

In my opinion, of all the things that count towards a society being considered more civilised than another, not shooting each other is right up there.

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Post by hulitu »

cowtools wrote: post #192
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #133

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In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of…

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

> freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Lol. Just look at american media. And religion ? You mean baptist religion ?

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

cowtools wrote: post #270
presentation wrote: post #250

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Lol the fact that random people have guns has nothing to do with US dominance, and it’s not random people with guns that will protect the US in an exceedingly unlikely armed conflict on US soil, it’s the army - which has no shortage of funding. Unless you’re saying that random armed people are going to defend against a coup from our own army - doubtful. Hypothetical “defense” at what cost? Mass shootings every week i…

>Lol the fact that random people have guns has nothing to do with US dominance It's no laughing matter. It has more to do than you might think. >Unless you’re saying that random armed people are going to defend against a coup from our own army - doubtful Think again. >Hypothetical “defense” at what cost? Mass shootings every week is worth it? Yes. Those who trade their fundamental freedoms for a little greater safety…

I constantly argue with people like you, feel free to read some of my other comments to see why you would do precisely nothing to a major armed force and would actually rationalize their targeting of civilians in your make believe Red Dawn world. (No, Vietnam and Afghanistan are not appropriate parallels).

PS: you also entirely fail to provide counterpoints to any of the points the person you are replying to made, only vague and nonsensical implications.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by frays »

Legogris wrote: post #308
Legogris wrote: post #258

Update from NHK: The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade. No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs. 14…

~17:50: Ex-PM Abe officially pronounced dead.

Devastating news. Rest in peace.

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Post by threatofrain »

Legogris wrote: post #258

Update from NHK: The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade. No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs. 14…

Link is broken.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-08/former-j...

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

vlovich123 wrote: post #171
mullingitover wrote: post #132

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> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to aff…

That’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.

Gun Buybacks were incredibly successful in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre and now we have f*ck all gun violence. Funny that.

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Post by jesterson »

kumarvvr wrote: post #298
jesterson wrote: post #295

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Been living in Japan and US for a while. There are substantial cultural differences in those countries. Even if tomorrow you would allow any weapon in Japan it won't change anything. There will be no school shootings (at substantial amount). Japanese people conditioned differently.

Totally agree. But give every Japanese a weapon. And then wait a few decades. Can you guarantee me that the culture will hold back gun violence?

I doubt anyone can "guarantee" how things will be developed in few decades. Noone knows for sure how the policy will transform societal relationships.

Presence or absence of weapons doesn't affect if someone will use it or not. Getting or making a weapon is relatively easy task even in Japan.

Growing a cohesive society where people use other means to cooperate instead of assaulting everyone who disagrees with their opinion is most important

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Post by Hamuko »

lazide wrote: post #119
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

Looks like it was home made. Guns are not complicated machines, anyone motivated with even basic household tools can make one if they want to do so. And it looks like someone did.

Although in this case, the suspect had worked for the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, so it wasn't just your average person off the street. At least I imagine that being in the navy would entail much more domain knowledge about firearms than your lay perosn.

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #103
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

They've also had chemical weapon attacks which are scarier than gun attacks. Give me a person with a gun rather than some lethal chemical piped into the subway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

Whataboutism at its finest.
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