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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Just watched report on ANNNewsCH (Youtube). He has a bullet wound on the right side of the neck, and also internal/subcutaneous bleeding on the left side of the chest. (I heard it as 左の胸の皮下出血).

Here is an interesting tidbit:

...また、男が銃を撃つ瞬間を見たと言う女性は、男は撃った後も冷静だったと話しています。

Also, a woman who says she witnessed the moment when the suspect fired the gun says that after firing he was calm/composed.

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You mean in the land of the yakuza?

I don't know what you're trying to imply here? Yakuza aren't know for guns or political assassinations.

A Yakuza boss assassinated the mayor of Nagasaki with a gun in 2007 because he was mad the government dinged his car and didn't pay him for it.

Seemed like more of a personal project though.

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And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

Very insightful and refreshing to see a nuanced take like this. I agree, it's a sick society problem, and blaming just guns or just "mental illness" (as if that's somehow unconnected from society as a whole) misses the bigger picture.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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This news about Abe is definitely a bit shocking, but nowhere near as scary as the indiscriminate killings we keep hearing about from the US. If you're a high profile politician, having a target on your back is basically part of the job description. The fact that "being a US resident" is now on more or less the same level, is a bit scary.

Statistics still matter. The odds of dying in a car accident throughout your life are about 1 in 100. If you take out suicide and gang violence, getting shot randomly is much less likely than dying in a car. Yet I go and drive around for fun some days and don't worry one but about it.

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Statistics still matter. The odds of dying in a car accident throughout your life are about 1 in 100. If you take out suicide and gang violence, getting shot randomly is much less likely than dying in a car. Yet I go and drive around for fun some days and don't worry one but about it.

Guns are now the leading cause of death for people under the age of 24 in the US (and have been for several years). Yes, they exceed motor vehicle deaths. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/05/25/guns-are...

Is that including suicides?

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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That being said his historical revisionism seems like a damn shame. I personally didn't know about that. However, I don't take all of the claims made by Jacobin seriously. Even here it tries to paint Japan trying to create it's own army as a bad thing when it is clearly in response to territorial aggressiveness from China.

> it is clearly in response to territorial aggressiveness from China Abe's been trying to re-militarize JP since his first term in mid 2000s, long before PRC military modernization began. You suggest he's precient, but history + his associations/controversies suggest a revisionist national hawk who loves his war criminals that understands Japan has territorial issues with everyone of her maritime neighbours and needs…

Perhaps he was influenced by his grandfather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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You're deeply wrong about that. Gun buybacks have worked and do work everywhere that they've been conducted.

It's not a buyback since the government never owned it. It's coerced confiscation.

So if you sell your house, or sell your car, or sell a loaf of bread, is that also coerced confiscation?

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

> and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime Yet funnily when that was in the process of happening (Trump's failed coup attempt) not only were there no "good guys with guns" against the regime, all the guys with the guns were for the regime trying to make a coup.

Because the leftist opposition (like you) are anti-gun

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

> Now this happens.

It's like the recent shootings in Norway and Denmark. Yes, those things happen even in "those" places (good quality of life, happy people, well developed, socialised healthcare, etc.) but they're a once in a decade, at most, event. Meanwhile the US has one of those what, weekly? It's unfortunate that guns are religious issue there, which means nothing meaningful will change.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#280

In other news (Japan to start jailing people for online insults) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32011600 I think this is not a coincidence. We are back at mid 30s.

Japan has crazy intense cyberstalkers who will show up in real life; several online celebrities (streamers etc) have had to retire because of it, and there's famous cases of suicide due to online bullying, including a recent one of a star in Terrace House.
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