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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by chii »

cute_boi wrote: post #163
chii wrote: post #94

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My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

I am sorry, but it will stop if guns are banned for ordinary people. How many school shootings happen in China or India? I am taking china and india because they are populous and don't have gun distributed freely like in US. The fact is quantity matters in such cases. Having 1 incidence vs 10 or 20 is a huge difference.

> I am sorry, but it will stop if guns are banned for ordinary people.

and i do believe that this idea doesn't fly in the USA. The culture doesn't allow it. Gun control in the USA can, and will, only ever go as far as checks and registries. It will forever remain a place where anyone, after passing checks, will be able to acquire a gun.

There are countries with large gun ownership rates too - finland comes to mind. Those countries have good education, social safety net, healthcare, and other societal support, such that people don't become deranged or fall into crime (as easily).

Of course, having some gun control laws will help - i am all for a complete registry of guns (which doesn't exist in the US - and fuck those who are against it). But it's not a panacea. Effort and political capital spent on trying to get gun control means effort not spent on social progress, which is a deeper root cause of the problem.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by cowtools »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #133
chii wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of…

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws.

I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by namecheapTA »

resonious wrote: post #179
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

This news about Abe is definitely a bit shocking, but nowhere near as scary as the indiscriminate killings we keep hearing about from the US. If you're a high profile politician, having a target on your back is basically part of the job description. The fact that "being a US resident" is now on more or less the same level, is a bit scary.

Statistics still matter. The odds of dying in a car accident throughout your life are about 1 in 100. If you take out suicide and gang violence, getting shot randomly is much less likely than dying in a car. Yet I go and drive around for fun some days and don't worry one but about it.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by chii »

cowtools wrote: post #192
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of…

That is a slippery slope to every state having restrictive NY-like gun laws. I don't care about legal or cultural precedent in germany or the EU. This isn't germany. The US plays a far more important role in global affairs, and as such must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime, those measures include the right to bear arms as well as freedom of speech and freedom of rel…

> must take more dramatic measures to prevent it from falling into the hands of some regime

the pen used for voting has more power than a gun to prevent the US from falling into the hands of "some regime".

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by rtpg »

elefanten wrote: post #141
kafkaesque wrote: post #120

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

The irony of lamenting people's reading material and then posting a Jacobin article the reads like a wall of text internet rant with some tabloid scuttlebutt sprinkled throughout. This is NOT a serious take on Abe. Centrist and professional IR academics laugh at the narrative that he's a fascist. A take that lives up to your handle. Edit: example from (center)left leaning academic economist blogger that speaks specif…

Noah (who recently praised Taiwanese politicians for the extremely materialistic point of them sometimes being cosplayers) is not much of a deeper thinker than most stuff in Jacobin.

Abe is in Nippon Kaigi. He is a nationalist. He pushed for revising the constitution to remove the purely self-defense nature of the SDF. This is not a popular idea in Japan. It is barely a popular idea in his party! The guy also liked the idea of picking a fight with China.

Now of course there are more intense people in Japan, but the guys a nationalist, and would push for unpopular ideas along that axis!

Is he a fascist? He supported more nationalist education reform that minimized wartime questions, was involved in a personal scandal with a far right school, pushed for more expansive police powers… I mean a lot of the stuff aligns. The label itself doesn’t matter, but you can look at the details and judge based on that.

Noah’s analysis is that he got more people into jobs and got the military to be bigger.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by asd88 »

zakember wrote: post #60
lambda_lord wrote: post #51

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Parent poster most likely works at Amazon. When the rate of purchases falls below a threshold, many engineers across the company get paged to find the issue. As you can imagine a news event would decrease activity on Amazon for a while.

Wow, recession has really hit Matt Daemon hard if he is working at Amazon now.

He just doubled his TC by going to Amazon cuz he doesn’t care about WLB

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by oynqr »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #161
glogla wrote: post #151

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I'm not sure if it should be scarier - the deadliest terrorist gas attack in Japan killed less people than the regularly scheduled weekly mass shooting in US usually does.

Not to minimise shootings, but at least you (or law enforcement) can shoot back, whereas with chemical attacks you cannot. The issue is really that you could scale chemical attacks up immensely and find some truly nasty chemical agents. I'm surprised it hasn't happened more - perhaps due to how dangerous working with extremely toxic chemicals actually is. Either way, wikipedia suggests 1k were injured in the attacks,…

Someone did the math, scaling up chemical attacks is really hard because the stuff dissipates so quickly, even if you have something like sarin.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by innocenat »

loeg wrote: post #188
beebmam wrote: post #187

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If he has no vital signs at his age, he's dead. Very few people make it back from CPR, and if they do they're usually going to suffer serious consequences for the rest of their life from it.

Maybe it is just misreported or miscommunicated so far. We'll probably know within a day.

The Japanese word 心肺停止 usually just mean he is not clinically dead, as only doctor can do that.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by mellosouls »

new299 wrote: post #175
syockit wrote: post #136

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I don't think much of what it written in that article is up for debate? You can check his wikipedia page for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe#Political_positions... "Abe is affiliated with the openly ultranationalist organization Nippon Kaigi (Japan Conference). He is considered a right-wing populist and ultra-conservative within the LDP, and some media and books have referred to him as a far-right p…

I don't think much of what it written in that article is up for debate? You can check his wikipedia page for example:

Political pages on Wikipedia are notorious for left-leaning editorial domination and are not a useful measure in the way you intend.

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