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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by wisemang »

elefanten wrote: post #141
kafkaesque wrote: post #120

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

The irony of lamenting people's reading material and then posting a Jacobin article the reads like a wall of text internet rant with some tabloid scuttlebutt sprinkled throughout. This is NOT a serious take on Abe. Centrist and professional IR academics laugh at the narrative that he's a fascist. A take that lives up to your handle. Edit: example from (center)left leaning academic economist blogger that speaks specif…

At the very least he’s an apologist for Japanese war crimes. Also pretty fascist imo but whatever, I’m also just some rando on the internet who could cherry pick articles to support whatever narrative I was looking for or am already biased towards. Lol substack. Anyways how about the far-right ultra-nationalist party he was an advisor to[0]?

I wonder if it was a pissed off Ryukyu native[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi

[1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/7bd3ee/this-one-island-is-th...

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by peanutz454 »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #103
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

They've also had chemical weapon attacks which are scarier than gun attacks. Give me a person with a gun rather than some lethal chemical piped into the subway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

1995 was an eternity ago. Fewer than 100 people died. I am not scared of Japan, but I am scared of one country that has no gun control.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by loeg »

DerekL wrote: post #176

The title doesn't match that of the article, “Former Japan PM Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody”. The word assassinated is incorrect, because that means that he was killed. (Maybe he is dead, but the article doesn't say that.)

WaPo claims that "NHK reported that the 67-year-old was showing no vital signs."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/07/japan-shinzo...

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by kadoban »

chii wrote: post #94
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

> The root cause of gun violence is societal issues, not the guns themselves. Solve those societal issues (hard, and likely almost intractable unfortunately), or gun violence will persist.

We have what, near 200 examples of other countries who are able to do better? It's almost like it doesn't require a society with no (vaguely alluded to) issues to prevent many gun crimes and mass shootings, and it's more about being able and willing to add common-sense restrictions instead of being committed to an extreme "no restrictions" policy.

> will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly.

The perpretator of that attack had the biggest of red flags for a long time. He should _not_ have been able to legally purchase a firearm.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by 3np »

loeg wrote: post #183
DerekL wrote: post #176

The title doesn't match that of the article, “Former Japan PM Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody”. The word assassinated is incorrect, because that means that he was killed. (Maybe he is dead, but the article doesn't say that.)

WaPo claims that "NHK reported that the 67-year-old was showing no vital signs." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/07/japan-shinzo...

Still, not declared dead. It doesn't look hopeful, though.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by beebmam »

loeg wrote: post #183
DerekL wrote: post #176

The title doesn't match that of the article, “Former Japan PM Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody”. The word assassinated is incorrect, because that means that he was killed. (Maybe he is dead, but the article doesn't say that.)

WaPo claims that "NHK reported that the 67-year-old was showing no vital signs." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/07/japan-shinzo...

If he has no vital signs at his age, he's dead. Very few people make it back from CPR, and if they do they're usually going to suffer serious consequences for the rest of their life from it.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by loeg »

beebmam wrote: post #187
loeg wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WaPo claims that "NHK reported that the 67-year-old was showing no vital signs." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/07/japan-shinzo...

If he has no vital signs at his age, he's dead. Very few people make it back from CPR, and if they do they're usually going to suffer serious consequences for the rest of their life from it.

Maybe it is just misreported or miscommunicated so far. We'll probably know within a day.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by [deleted] »

lambda_lord wrote: post #51
zzleeper wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the ignorance but what's an order drop?

Parent poster most likely works at Amazon. When the rate of purchases falls below a threshold, many engineers across the company get paged to find the issue. As you can imagine a news event would decrease activity on Amazon for a while.

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by quanto »

anshumankmr wrote: post #98

This is a terrible tragedy. Shinzo Abe seemed like a good man. I hope he pulls through, though reading the comments here makes it seem less likely.

The assassination attempt is indeed tragic. As for his being a good person, many would disagree. Unfortunately, both within and without Japan, he is a controversial figure. Even if one takes his armament of Japan in a sympathetic light, his historical revisionism, courting of the ultra-right, and tone-deaf nationalism caused troubles domestically and with its neighbors.

All this is unfortunate as he genuinely boosted Japan's economy, doing much to Japan's status in the world[1]. The sibling comments here linked some blog posts calling him a "fascist" or just a patriot ("civic nationalist"). The reality is somewhere in between.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53950704

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