Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin • Hacker News Board

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by frumper » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:03 AM UTC

pyuser583 wrote: post #120

rayiner wrote: post #54

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I don’t think that’a entirely fair. California is the product of good governance during the 1950s-1980s. There is public infrastructure, like good schools and universities, that needs to be laid to attract industry in the first place. California probably wouldn’t the what it is without the UC system, for example. Of course that was a very different California.

Don’t forget about massive defense spending, and middle class relocations to California.

California was hit a lot harder than most places in the 90s and 2000s with base closures.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by beebmam » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:04 AM UTC

hnburnsy wrote: post #39

Here are the budget details on this... https://esd.dof.ca.gov/Documents/bcp/2223/FY2223_ORG4140_BCP... "This proposal will use $50 million in funding to enter into a partnership with a contract manufacturer to develop and bring to market interchangeable biosimilar insulin products in both vial and pen form." "This proposal also includes an additional $50 million for the construction of an insulin manufacturing facili…

Only $50 million for something that seems so socially important? Sounds like an easy win to me.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by enraged_camel » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:08 AM UTC

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #155

drekk wrote: post #135

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California's government is center-right. There is no far left party in US politics. That's why you don't have affordable higher education or healthcare, why your infrastructure is decaying, why you don't have nice public transit, etc. It's also why your taxes are so high with nothing to show for them. Turns out austerity is expensive for most people. Canada and Mexico have cheap insulin because their governments are…

Is this an intentional troll?

Is this an intentional troll?

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by sli » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:09 AM UTC

beebmam wrote: post #162

hnburnsy wrote: post #39

Here are the budget details on this... https://esd.dof.ca.gov/Documents/bcp/2223/FY2223_ORG4140_BCP... "This proposal will use $50 million in funding to enter into a partnership with a contract manufacturer to develop and bring to market interchangeable biosimilar insulin products in both vial and pen form." "This proposal also includes an additional $50 million for the construction of an insulin manufacturing facili…

Only $50 million for something that seems so socially important? Sounds like an easy win to me.

Especially for a state with such massive budget surplus.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by anarazel » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:12 AM UTC

yonaguska wrote: post #146

CoastalCoder wrote: post #58

I'm curious about liability. My understanding (maybe wrong) is that for private drug manufacturers, the risk of lawsuits provides a strong incentive for safe, effective products. Would a California-run facility have similar incentives?

Unless they get the Pfizer or Moderna treatment by labeling it as an emergency. Then there'd be zero liability.

Those were under a law that applies to vaccines only, afaiu. And even there it's not an absolute immunity, just a much higher bar. "willful misconduct". See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Readiness_and_Emergen...

It's not an area I know well, but I am not aware of a similar grant if immunity for medication in general.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by justinbaker84 » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:13 AM UTC

beebmam wrote: post #162

hnburnsy wrote: post #39

Here are the budget details on this... https://esd.dof.ca.gov/Documents/bcp/2223/FY2223_ORG4140_BCP... "This proposal will use $50 million in funding to enter into a partnership with a contract manufacturer to develop and bring to market interchangeable biosimilar insulin products in both vial and pen form." "This proposal also includes an additional $50 million for the construction of an insulin manufacturing facili…

Only $50 million for something that seems so socially important? Sounds like an easy win to me.

I think a more relevant take is "how are they going to accomplish this with only $50 million?

California can't even build high speed rail with a budget in 10s of billions of dollars and more than a decade of time.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by sli » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:13 AM UTC

google234123 wrote: post #79

rhodorhoades wrote: post #77

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UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, UC Los Angeles are some of the best engineering schools on the planet.

They are talking about non-higher ed when referring to "schools".

My experience with elementary school in California vs. Florida as a kid had such a disparity in quality in favor of California that I was able to notice it even at that young of an age. I came to figure out why much later in life, but I'll never forget that feeling like I'd taken a huge step back.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by pj_mukh » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:18 AM UTC

drekk wrote: post #135

gandalfgeek wrote: post #28

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I can’t relate at all to that sentiment. California has got to be one of the most bloated and wasteful state governments in the entire US. High taxes and nothing to show for it. The entrenched far left seems bent on destroying the middle class, driving out business, regulating everything to death and displacing merit as a selection factor. Whatever glory Cali has— tech, entertainment, farming, weather, natural beauty…

California's government is center-right. There is no far left party in US politics. That's why you don't have affordable higher education or healthcare, why your infrastructure is decaying, why you don't have nice public transit, etc. It's also why your taxes are so high with nothing to show for them. Turns out austerity is expensive for most people. Canada and Mexico have cheap insulin because their governments are…

On this note, most of California's problems come from a populace that apes left wing ideology while acting right wing when the rubber hits the road.

"Black Lives Matter but not if they have to build housing next to me" is a California meme.

See also Prop 13, a tax revolt, being the crux of a lot of California issues.

While government services can certainly be more efficient and cost disease is rampant, we first have to agree that the government should be providing the service in the first place (which we don't, countrywide)

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by vpilcx » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:21 AM UTC

ipnon wrote: post #24

How hard would it be to found an insulin startup? This seems like the kind of problem designed to be intractable, the "busy work" of bureaucratic private health care systems.

There's already a insulin project where they're trying to open source (or something like that) insulin. They just made headway this year or the year before, but it seems like they're a long way from having any kind of effect.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by beej71 » Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 5:22 AM UTC

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The most expensive medical treatments don't allow you the luxury of shopping around. And how is the average American going to pay back a millions of dollars loan?