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Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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Does it have export? Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a dealbreaker for me.

Element has. The app on the other side I think it's unlikely that this chatbox has export functionality

> Element has. The app on the other side

Which is currently broken and has been for some time. If you export a room, images will not show in the final exported chat.

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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The client would have to fetch all your messages first. Some rooms can have thousands of messages a day, and some people are in thousands of rooms [1] (though these are core developers so they might be stress testing) [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32021303

but you would hopefully not export all messages every time? incremental?

If you wanted automated exports I think an easier way would be to host your own homeserver, and create your account on that homeserver. I believe any messages in any rooms you join will be synced with your homeserver, and you can perform automated full backups (or maybe incremental backups if the database supports it?)

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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Not the person you're replying to but following up on an identical past thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30996203 > Linux, x86_64. Getting the same behavior across distros and installations. It is still very much the case. To emphasize, we have for the past couple of years used Matrix routinely on: * Multiple client implementations * Multiple OSs (Linux/Android/iOS) * Multiple accounts and profiles * Mult…

Probably because the app is a bloated piece of junk

All Electron apps are slower by orders of magnitude than the native ones by definition. Trying any non-Element client might help.

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Probably because the app is a bloated piece of junk

A sibling comment [1] says it works fine on Mac and Windows, and it's all the same desktop app. It's likely a Linux quirk that hasn't gotten enough attention yet [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32021303

There are plenty of apps that run smooth on Linux. If there is a bug, then it almost definitely isn't due to Linux itself. Maybe they could just admit their development efforts aren't actually focused on optimizing for open source.

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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This is just another firm reminder that Matrix isn't the revolution against IRC/XMPP and instead is just a company running Microsoft's playbook.

How so?

Because they are in the "extend" phase.

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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I'm not sure the problem was the client (element for Android). Asking around it seems people on the chatrooms kind of agreed the issue was matrix.org Regardless, if you believe the issue is the client, which would you recommend is the lightest/fastest client?

The problem of slow joins isn't the client, it's the protocol. Just join the Synapse admins channel on matrix.org (will take half an hour to load, your client will time out and give you an error but it will load eventually) and the other admins will tell you they're all aware of the problem. I don't know why Arathorn is further down the thread dismissing this problem.. it's a well-known problem in the community.. htt…

Thank you for this, I was beginning to think I'm the crazy one.

Ok, so matrix is useless then, is that it?

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The problem of slow joins isn't the client, it's the protocol. Just join the Synapse admins channel on matrix.org (will take half an hour to load, your client will time out and give you an error but it will load eventually) and the other admins will tell you they're all aware of the problem. I don't know why Arathorn is further down the thread dismissing this problem.. it's a well-known problem in the community.. htt…

Thank you for this, I was beginning to think I'm the crazy one. Ok, so matrix is useless then, is that it?

They're talking about a specific issue with federation at scale. I run a hybrid conference in Seattle and we use Matrix. I make a successful living out of this, so it seems a stretch to call it useless.

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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this is like saying “i tried the web, and it’s extremely slow”. what server were you using? and which client on which platform?

> this is like saying “i tried the web, and it’s extremely slow” Uuuuuh ok...? WhatsApp isn't slow.

The matrix protocol is an open protocol where anyone can build on. You using the matrix protocol is the you using http. So your slowness equates to the server you are communicating with. Note: Yes, the protocol has issues when you are joining larger rooms. But for WhatsApp scale (max 256 users in a group) matrix works pretty well.

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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How so?

Because they are in the "extend" phase.

New Vector (the company behind Element) is building tools on the matrix protocol. And making a business out of it. Which is good. It shows the world tools that can be built on the matrix protocol. More people get involved and newer tools emerge.

Re: Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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How so?

Because they are in the "extend" phase.

As far as I can see, they "embraced" their own protocol and now "extend" it by building open source products on top[1]. Would love to see Microsoft do that kind of "extend". :)

[1] https://github.com/vector-im/chatterbox

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