Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat

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Post by watsonkr » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 9:57 PM UTC

Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat
element.io

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Post by midislack » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:31 PM UTC

Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:32 PM UTC

midislack wrote: post #2

Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

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Post by warning26 » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:33 PM UTC

midislack wrote: post #2

Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

Does it have export?

Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a dealbreaker for me.

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Post by tcfhgj » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:35 PM UTC

How does E2EE work here? How can the user know their communication isn't being intercepted?

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Post by midislack » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:36 PM UTC

warning26 wrote: post #4

midislack wrote: post #2

Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

Does it have export? Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a dealbreaker for me.

Just because there's no "official" way to access history as a client in Signal doesn't mean the history isn't there. You'd have to ask that "Moxie Marlinspike" or whatever his name is fella.

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Post by tcfhgj » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:39 PM UTC

warning26 wrote: post #4

midislack wrote: post #2

Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

Does it have export? Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a dealbreaker for me.

Element has. The app on the other side

I think it's unlikely that this chatbox has export functionality

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Post by t6jvcereio » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:49 PM UTC

Incidentally I tried matrix for the first time on the basis of someone recommending it here in HN, and it's extremely slow

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Post by bsaul » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:51 PM UTC

not sure i understand what the point is.. Embedded usually means c2b communication, not c2c. The professional you're communicating with is probably already hosting its computer's data on the company's network...

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Post by Arathorn » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 10:51 PM UTC

tcfhgj wrote: post #5

How does E2EE work here? How can the user know their communication isn't being intercepted?

It’s using normal Matrix olm/megolm double ratchet encryption.

To track the identity of who you’re talking to we can do TOFU and/or normal out of band Matrix verification as per https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/issues/518 - but this isn’t yet exposed in Chatterbox. We’ll get it added, as without verification you obviously can’t spot a MITM.