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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#131

From the picture the gun is homemade - https://twitter.com/bulletinletters/status/15452502106827325... https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/15452494953987194... Standard pipe gun with I'd guess homemade ammunition, gunpowder and ball bearings.

Arent those illegal?

What kind of inane question is this.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly.

You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to afford to pay >$20k for that gun...you've probably got your life together and aren't going on shooting sprees.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#133
post #94

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

In the school shootings, at least, there is always some unhinged person behind it. Deeper mental health checks before purchasing a gun (like as is required in Germany) could be very useful. Also, rules in place that your gun is stored securely in a safe, and spot checks to verify such (again, in Germany) can help with guns making their way into other people’s hands either by being given or by being taken. A friend of mine in high school killed herself with her father’s gun…she might have not gone through with it if the gun was locked up and the suicide wasn’t so easy.

Think of gun restrictions and bans as friction. They act to reduce bad events, they don’t eliminate them. If you just make getting a gun harder (by legitimate and illegitimate means), that will have a marked reduction in gun deaths (and violent deaths overall since other methods require much more work/willpower/skills).

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#135
post #110

This is a terrible tragedy. Shinzo Abe seemed like a good man. I hope he pulls through, though reading the comments here makes it seem less likely.

we should all mourn this tragedy but do not paint this guy as a good man. He is a historical revisionist.

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#136

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he’s the exPM, so what would shooting him gain? He may be an exPM but he is the leader of the current mainstream faction (Hosoda faction) within the ruling party. So this is kinda huge.

Ah, didn’t realize that he was still party leader.

I don’t think he is an official part leader but more of an unofficial faction leader. Japan is pretty much a one party state and it’s the factions within the party that determine the direction of the country.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#138

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

if you do want to toss out such a strong accusation with a link, please choose the strongest points in your mind from that terrible article.

edit: half of this conversation was nuked. wonderful flagging system. my comments were simply asking people to expand on their accusations.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you're trying to imply here? Yakuza aren't know for guns or political assassinations.

Just that no place is as pristine as people initially make out to be. There’s always a hidden underbelly, it’s just human nature to have one. So it wouldn’t be surprising that a determined person can get a gun in any place on the planet.

Sure, I wasn’t surprised about the assassination, just the gun part.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My goodness, what is your point? Japan is unequivocally one of the safest countries in the world. This is a well-known fact and you can look it up yourself if you need a source. Top 10, there ya go. I mean, really, what an odd opinion to stand beside.

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One of the very few countries where women I've known have felt completely safe walking home alone at 2am. Yes, to a certain extent they are underestimating the real risks which are definitely non-zero, but it's definitely fairly unique from a violent crime in the streets perspective.
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