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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by unmole »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #108
jeswin wrote: post #69

Here's what happened: - Nupur Sharma, spokesperson of the governing party (BJP) mocks Prophet Mohammed on National TV saying that he had sex with a 9 year old. She then justifies it saying she was quoting the Hadith (Islamic religious texts). - ZooBear on Twitter brings attention to the issue, via his channel AltNews - India gets international condemnation, Gulf countries are pissed - India apologizes to various Gulf…

Not entirely true. - TV debates in India are charged and partisan. - Nupur Sharma was debating a man named Tasneem Rehmani. - Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God (which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India). - Nupur Sharma countered him by saying "Do not mock my religion. Do you want me to start talking about flying horses or the fact that your Prophet married…

> Islamic Whatsapp groups.

> Prior to his arrest, he deletes several of his social media posts and tweets mocking Hindu Gods.

You're literally peddling IT cell propaganda.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by sa1 »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #120
noufalibrahim wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think AltNews received foreign funding. Nor was it possible for Razorpay to process the payment. Interestingly, it's possible for political parties to receive foreign funding (via. Electoral Bonds) without much transparency to the electorate about how much they receive.

Razorpay might be in trouble for processing foreign funds without FCRA approval.

International credit cards were always disabled for Altnews.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by semanticvector »

actuator wrote: post #115
rdl wrote: post #45

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order ( https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/ ) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible). It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station". Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed t…

I don't think @dang will pin the above comment, but this needs to be higher here as the reply includes that they received a legal order. This is maligning the company unjustly.

exactly. Only intent is to malign Razorpay, so OP also chose to create a throw away account. Razorpay didn't really have much choice in this.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ahamedirshad123 »

Again Altnews doesn't accept foreign donations. This is from Razorpay page for Altnews.

No foreign donations

We do not accept foreign remittance as we are not registered under the FCRA Act. Only Indian citizens with Indian bank accounts can donate currently.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ahamedirshad123 »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #120
noufalibrahim wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think AltNews received foreign funding. Nor was it possible for Razorpay to process the payment. Interestingly, it's possible for political parties to receive foreign funding (via. Electoral Bonds) without much transparency to the electorate about how much they receive.

Razorpay might be in trouble for processing foreign funds without FCRA approval.

No foreign donations

We do not accept foreign remittance as we are not registered under the FCRA Act. Only Indian citizens with Indian bank accounts can donate currently.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by eastern »

This might come as a surprise to most people on this page but India and other countries around the world actually have there own laws and don't follow US laws.

No court order is required for this data. The relevant law states this:

Whenever any Court or any officer in charge of a police station considers that the production of any document or other thing is necessary or desirable for the purposes of any investigation, inquiry, trial or other proceeding under this Code by or before such Court or officer, such Court may issue a summons, or such officer a written order, to the person in whose possession or power such document or thing is believed to be, requiring him to attend and produce it, or to produce it, at the time and place stated in the summons or order.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by MrBlueIncognito »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #108
jeswin wrote: post #69

Here's what happened: - Nupur Sharma, spokesperson of the governing party (BJP) mocks Prophet Mohammed on National TV saying that he had sex with a 9 year old. She then justifies it saying she was quoting the Hadith (Islamic religious texts). - ZooBear on Twitter brings attention to the issue, via his channel AltNews - India gets international condemnation, Gulf countries are pissed - India apologizes to various Gulf…

Not entirely true. - TV debates in India are charged and partisan. - Nupur Sharma was debating a man named Tasneem Rehmani. - Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God (which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India). - Nupur Sharma countered him by saying "Do not mock my religion. Do you want me to start talking about flying horses or the fact that your Prophet married…

TL;DR two extremists make offensive statements on television, journalist tweeting a segment from it to bring it to public attention gets arrested.

You may argue that Mohammed Zubair is somehow an evil cynical person who wants to watch the world burn, but the fact is that tweeting a segment from national television is not a criminal offence and should not be treated as such.

> which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India.

Kudos for living in an alternate dimension!

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by Gurgler »

sateesh wrote: post #55
ramraj07 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heres the interesting thing though. A majority of Indian citizens would agree with this overreach. If the majority agrees with heavy handed tactics and they are enforced by elected officials with at least reasonably fair elections then is it right to call it an autocracy? I don’t agree with any of this of course but it is unfortunate reality here.

The phenomenon what you mention is called "Tyranny of Majority", great many thinkers have indeed weighed on this.

Fear of such a tyranny of the majority is why the founders of the US created the electoral college, and apportioned the Senate as it is, creating a republic instead of a pure democracy. It also describes the original ideological distinction between Republicans and Democrats, the two main political parties in the US. James Madison described a scenario like this in his Federalist Paper #10.

"Complaints are everywhere ... that the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority."

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