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New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by AmericanChopper »

belorn wrote: post #77
AmericanChopper wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen it many times. Every time I put a heavy object on a seat without plugging the seatbelts in.

Now imagine this happening, but rather than being still at the car park you are on the highway and the situation is requiring a lot of concentration, and you can't just plug in the seatbelt to fix it.

You don’t need to convince me. I’m very much against all these stupid car features that you’re not allowed to control. Breaking the stop start motor in my car was tedious enough, but a lot of these new features can’t be defeated so easily.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by Akronymus »

aspyct wrote: post #72

I have a car with an intelligent speed limiter. It is dangerous. I tried it yesterday for the first - and last - time. On the highway, it picked up a speed limit sign that was intended for the side lane, and started reducing my speed fast and unexpectedly. I love the speed limiter, the dumb version. I think it's a super nice way to avoid accidentally going over the speed limit without having to keep an eye on the spe…

I have two kinds of speed limiters on my car. One for only allowing up to x km/h unless i fully press the gas pedal in. And one for automatically going y km/h while keeping a certain distance, which can be overwritten by any amount of pressing the gas pedal, or cancelled by any amount of pressing the brake pedal.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by aspyct »

midasz wrote: post #79
aspyct wrote: post #72

I have a car with an intelligent speed limiter. It is dangerous. I tried it yesterday for the first - and last - time. On the highway, it picked up a speed limit sign that was intended for the side lane, and started reducing my speed fast and unexpectedly. I love the speed limiter, the dumb version. I think it's a super nice way to avoid accidentally going over the speed limit without having to keep an eye on the spe…

Are there so many unmapped roads in the US? Or are there arbitrary variants of limits? I use Waze in NL and so far, for every road it knows the limit.

What makes you think I'm in the US?

I'm in Belgium, and around here we have a lot of poorly organized road works.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by aspyct »

Akronymus wrote: post #82
aspyct wrote: post #72

I have a car with an intelligent speed limiter. It is dangerous. I tried it yesterday for the first - and last - time. On the highway, it picked up a speed limit sign that was intended for the side lane, and started reducing my speed fast and unexpectedly. I love the speed limiter, the dumb version. I think it's a super nice way to avoid accidentally going over the speed limit without having to keep an eye on the spe…

I have two kinds of speed limiters on my car. One for only allowing up to x km/h unless i fully press the gas pedal in. And one for automatically going y km/h while keeping a certain distance, which can be overwritten by any amount of pressing the gas pedal, or cancelled by any amount of pressing the brake pedal.

Are you referring to the adaptive cruise control? Sadly I don't have that one, I would love it. However it's not reading the road signs, as far as I know.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by Akronymus »

aspyct wrote: post #84
Akronymus wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two kinds of speed limiters on my car. One for only allowing up to x km/h unless i fully press the gas pedal in. And one for automatically going y km/h while keeping a certain distance, which can be overwritten by any amount of pressing the gas pedal, or cancelled by any amount of pressing the brake pedal.

Are you referring to the adaptive cruise control? Sadly I don't have that one, I would love it. However it's not reading the road signs, as far as I know.

Mine is reading and displaying the roadsigns, but not automatically changing the limit.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by bzzzt »

throwaway193948 wrote: post #37
Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

my car has these features and sometimes thinks the speed limit is 100mph in residential neighborhoods

In some neighbourhoods in the Netherlands people put fake '30km/h' signs on their roadside garbage bins. Those are not the official limits, but will be picked up by traffic sign recognition algorithms...

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by galdosdi »

efaref wrote: post #14
enlyth wrote: post #5

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I actually wouldn't mind a thing like this that I can manually enable, I am constantly afraid of accidentally speeding and always have my satnav on so it shows the max speed (here in the UK we get penalty points, not just fines, and enough of them can mean you have a temp ban from driving). Don't really like the idea of this being automatically triggered and enforced though.

Automatic triggering seems like a recipe for disaster. My car has a version of this that shows the current speed limit on the display. It is frequently wrong. A road near me shows up as 20mph despite being 30 or 40 in different parts. Other times it sees signs for access roads or side roads and misinterpret them as for the current road (sometimes saying 20mph in a 60mph zone). It's a nice idea, but the tech really is…

Yeah, you couldn't possibly roll out automatic triggering without also creating laws to uniformize how speed limits are set and data shared about them across the US (I don't refer to taking away agency from the many local jurisdictions that can affect speed limits for the bajillions of stretches of roadway in the country-- just standardizing requirements so that when some tiny little town adjusts the speed limit frfom 25 to 20 on a 2 block stretch of main street, except after 6PM monday to friday, there is a standard way for them to notify a national DOT database electronically and they are required to do that prior to enforcement)

That alone probably makes it a nonstarter in the USA, right?

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by marklubi »

harg wrote: post #31
belorn wrote: post #17

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How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? How high false rate would people accept before they removed/rigged the device? One major reason why ignition locks that uses breathalyzers has failed to gain popularity is false positives. Police always do a blood test after a positive breath test, because those breathalyzers have know faults when it comes to a number of substances, including bread, fruit,…

> How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? Never, in any car I’ve ever been in, have I seen a false positive seatbelt warning.

In my BMW, I can trigger a false positive by plugging my iPad or iPhone into the car's USB charging port, and setting it on the passenger seat.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by youngtaff »

vvillena wrote: post #57
moritonal wrote: post #54

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It's not very encouraging that you are trying to overtake someone by speeding.

Any sensible driver on the road knows to prioritize a safe (aka quick) overtake maneuver over a prolonged one that keeps things under the speed limit. It's great if both things can be achieved. But if not, the two preferable options are to stay behind, or to do it safely and in a way that doesn't hinder any other cars.

If it’s prolonged by staying under the speed limit then perhaps the other vehicle isn’t actually going that slowly and so doesn’t need to be overtaken?

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by vvillena »

youngtaff wrote: post #89
vvillena wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sensible driver on the road knows to prioritize a safe (aka quick) overtake maneuver over a prolonged one that keeps things under the speed limit. It's great if both things can be achieved. But if not, the two preferable options are to stay behind, or to do it safely and in a way that doesn't hinder any other cars.

If it’s prolonged by staying under the speed limit then perhaps the other vehicle isn’t actually going that slowly and so doesn’t need to be overtaken?

Indeed, and that's why staying behind is always an option. Driving is an activity governed by a set of regulations, but common sense is the glue that ties everything together. This includes when to bend or break rules.

Kinda like programming.

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