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The ‘E-Pimps’ of OnlyFans

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Re: The ‘E-Pimps’ of OnlyFans

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Post by numerik_meister »

yieldcrv wrote: post #67
numerik_meister wrote: post #62

The E-Pimp is the website, itself.

To me, we need a better word given the overlap with all other kinds of managers and platforms. Just because a woman and her body is involved for attention and payment, anybody getting any payment and involvement is called a pimp? Where's the coercion, destruction, trafficking? Where are the people that really do lack agency and autonomy? There should be two different words, one for the destructive thing that's regula…

The website is taking advantage of the naivety of young women. I would not call it "benign management", just like, for example, I would also not say that online casinos are "benign" just because they are fully legal. Then it would be more appropriate to say that the website is not a pimp, but a madam.

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Post by rawbot »

ivraatiems wrote: post #23

I have a lot of trouble begrudging anybody anything in this, even though I don't like it. The models who own the pages can't possibly give everyone in their subscriber base what they want. The subscribers are looking for a product, and they're getting it. The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here, except a business relationship, and expecting a random w…

> The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here

Oh, but there is plenty of platonic relationships with camgirls, streamers and such. It can reach levels of delusion that you wouldn't believe.

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Post by sp1rit »

> "You see how there’s a space before the exclamation mark?" he said. "Yeah, that’s how 18-year-olds type."

I have never seen any 18-year-old type like this. Is this actually common in the US or just a thing of older folk imaging how an 18 -year-old might type?

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Post by db39 »

Weird coincidence, I met someone this past weekend who does exactly this. The one exception being that he targets models in developing countries - which makes it feel a lot closer to sex trafficking than an agency.

I believe the idea to set-up an OnlyFans agency like this is relatively popular among 'hustle porn' style "entrepreneurs" whose goal is to extract as much money from anyone as fast as possible. Which probably gives an idea about the general personality these people have.

And whilst I don't think that an agency like this is always morally wrong, there are a lot of grey areas and moral issues - potentially legal issues - that can arise depending on circumstances.

There's an obvious ethical issue with subscribers believing that they're talking to the model themselves, and yet they're actually talking to someone completely different. And to add to that the implications of the subscriber sending nude photos to be viewed by any random person is bad too. If the subscribers knew that they weren't actually interacting with the model, I seriously doubt they'd continue that transaction.

And I'm sure that fishing for models on Instagram to start pages can have issues too if the agency has some bad actors. What happens if a model no longer wants to work with the agency?

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Post by framapotari »

numerik_meister wrote: post #71
yieldcrv wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, we need a better word given the overlap with all other kinds of managers and platforms. Just because a woman and her body is involved for attention and payment, anybody getting any payment and involvement is called a pimp? Where's the coercion, destruction, trafficking? Where are the people that really do lack agency and autonomy? There should be two different words, one for the destructive thing that's regula…

The website is taking advantage of the naivety of young women. I would not call it "benign management", just like, for example, I would also not say that online casinos are "benign" just because they are fully legal. Then it would be more appropriate to say that the website is not a pimp, but a madam.

Naivety seems to imply that what they are doing is wrong, or a mistake, but they don't understand it fully. Don't you think that's a paternalistic view? Do you know what's best for those women?

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Post by travbrack »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #4

These “pimps” serve as surrogates for the cammer, (consensually) impersonating them so that the cammer’s account can engage with more subscribers. I wonder how convincing something like GPT-3 would be at this. I give it 5 years tops for 100% AI OnlyFans accounts to be commonplace, complete with artificial personalized livestreams.

If you made GPT-3 respond to onlyfans DMs you would have some hilarious results.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of these models, including many Russians, offering "dick ratings".

I always felt it likely at least some of these are managed by FSB as a way to gain blackmail material on western citizens. I have no evidence that's the case, except that it would be extremely doable and probably very effective.

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Post by capableweb »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #78

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of these models, including many Russians, offering "dick ratings". I always felt it likely at least some of these are managed by FSB as a way to gain blackmail material on western citizens. I have no evidence that's the case, except that it would be extremely doable and probably very effective.

I know a person who in the last years moved from doing sex work in the physical world, to using OnlyFans and other online resources since Covid began.

Initially, she didn't offer "dick ratings" but there was so many requests for her to do it, that she started doing it.

Now most of her profits is simply from people who want her to rate their dick.

She's not Russian or have any affiliation to Russia. I think people are just generally strange.

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Post by codebolt »

abigail95 wrote: post #41
ivraatiems wrote: post #23

I have a lot of trouble begrudging anybody anything in this, even though I don't like it. The models who own the pages can't possibly give everyone in their subscriber base what they want. The subscribers are looking for a product, and they're getting it. The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here, except a business relationship, and expecting a random w…

> Negotiating different rates with different subscribers for the same video price discrimination is good! For the rest of it, banning porn is probably a losing battle, but surely we can make fraud illegal, like passing yourself off as someone else. For the rest of the what-ifs, do nothing, or call the police. I don't think pornographers should have a special duty to act over a shopkeeper or bus driver.

A lot can change over a decades time. I hope and believe that porn will eventually be a lot more restricted than it is today, as the societal downsides become more and more apparent.
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