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Re: The ‘E-Pimps’ of OnlyFans

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Post by trentgreene »

otterley wrote: post #45
hnov wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aversion to sex work aside, how’s this different than some of what’s done in Silicon Valley? Uber will happily extract the remaining equity in your car as you teeter on the brink of homelessness at which point DoorDash will be happy to make you your own boss. Maybe I’m just jaded because it’s hard to find a place to rent wherever there’s a booming market for Airbnb rentals.

If you haven’t lived in either place, it’s difficult to understand. Capitalism abounds in both, but is expressed in very different ways in each place. The cultures are just wildly different. As a native Californian, I find Florida’s culture to be smarmy and tasteless, with people shamelessly flaunting designer labels and consuming conspicuously. Being seen is super important to a lot of Floridians. (It also goes a lo…

I’m from neither FL or CA, but have lived (for 5 years+) in both S Florida, SV / SF, and a brief stint in LA. The cultures from all these places felt like two sides of the same coin. Compared to my native slice of fly over America, the flaunting and virtue signaling were pretty overwhelming

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Post by lllbvxdtjmbc »

otterley wrote: post #45
hnov wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aversion to sex work aside, how’s this different than some of what’s done in Silicon Valley? Uber will happily extract the remaining equity in your car as you teeter on the brink of homelessness at which point DoorDash will be happy to make you your own boss. Maybe I’m just jaded because it’s hard to find a place to rent wherever there’s a booming market for Airbnb rentals.

If you haven’t lived in either place, it’s difficult to understand. Capitalism abounds in both, but is expressed in very different ways in each place. The cultures are just wildly different. As a native Californian, I find Florida’s culture to be smarmy and tasteless, with people shamelessly flaunting designer labels and consuming conspicuously. Being seen is super important to a lot of Floridians. (It also goes a lo…

In my experience it's the Californians I have known who were smarmy and tasteless, from both cities in California. Your comment is a great example of the snooty attitude those of us from flyover country have been tolerating our entire lives as it flows from our TV screens.

What you described is a sub culture of Miami. It doesn't describe anyone in Florida north of West Palm Beach, and completely disregards the Cuban-American population in Miami itself.

Or are Cuban Americans not representative of "real" Miami? Because if you forget about the Cubans, my wife is going to have to say something to you in rapid Spanish that you won't enjoy, even if you only understand her tone

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Post by swarnie »

gumby wrote: post #29

> Many are based in Miami. It’s a place where young marketing types have embraced a vision of what the internet is actually for that is at odds with Silicon Valley’s: less a utopian escape from reality than an infinite expansion of its strip malls. I am glad there is a honeypot for people like this so they won't move here (SV or even SF)

SF is the city with its own app for tracking human shit on the sidewalk right? How would these people make it worse.

Re: The ‘E-Pimps’ of OnlyFans

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Post by Timshel »

ivraatiems wrote: post #23

I have a lot of trouble begrudging anybody anything in this, even though I don't like it. The models who own the pages can't possibly give everyone in their subscriber base what they want. The subscribers are looking for a product, and they're getting it. The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here, except a business relationship, and expecting a random w…

>and expecting a random woman to shower you with attention for $50 a pop videos seems unrealistic.

So then what it's ok to take advantage and scam them ??? WTF ...

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Post by alexeldeib »

lllbvxdtjmbc wrote: post #63
otterley wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you haven’t lived in either place, it’s difficult to understand. Capitalism abounds in both, but is expressed in very different ways in each place. The cultures are just wildly different. As a native Californian, I find Florida’s culture to be smarmy and tasteless, with people shamelessly flaunting designer labels and consuming conspicuously. Being seen is super important to a lot of Floridians. (It also goes a lo…

In my experience it's the Californians I have known who were smarmy and tasteless, from both cities in California. Your comment is a great example of the snooty attitude those of us from flyover country have been tolerating our entire lives as it flows from our TV screens. What you described is a sub culture of Miami. It doesn't describe anyone in Florida north of West Palm Beach, and completely disregards the Cuban-…

To be fair, GP was quoting a comment specifically comparing Miami and SF, although the comment you reply to lost that distinction.

I agree it’s overly simplistic but that sub culture of Miami certainly exists and is very visible, just like SF isn’t entirely tech.

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Post by yieldcrv »

numerik_meister wrote: post #62

The E-Pimp is the website, itself.

To me, we need a better word given the overlap with all other kinds of managers and platforms.

Just because a woman and her body is involved for attention and payment, anybody getting any payment and involvement is called a pimp?

Where's the coercion, destruction, trafficking? Where are the people that really do lack agency and autonomy?

There should be two different words, one for the destructive thing that's regulated or sanctioned in physical sex for money activities, one for benign management.

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Post by lordgrenville »

JohnBooty wrote: post #7

This definitely happens elsewhere, like live cam sites. This isn't a new practice, but the stakes are higher. It used to be that you could write to "celebrities" for an autograph. You hoped it was the celebrity who signed your thing and mailed it back, but in reality you knew it was probably their spouse or secretary. It wasn't honest, but it's not like they charged you money, and the emotional stakes were lower. The…

Agreed. To me, if you are extracting money from someone while pretending to be someone else, that is fraud - at least morally, the legal side seems complicated. The question is if the average consumer would still be willing to pay if they knew that the posts were ghostwritten. My guess is that most of the "whales" are lonely people who would only want to pay for a real interaction with the performer.

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Post by herbst »

akomtu wrote: post #30

OnlyFans in Ancient Rome: The Colosseum Arena is packed with people, everyone is watching the orgy in the center and throwing a a few coins from time to time, the High Priests of this Temple of Lust burn a special scent that drives the crowd crazy.

Sounds like Chaturbate :)

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Post by Kinrany »

abigail95 wrote: post #41
ivraatiems wrote: post #23

I have a lot of trouble begrudging anybody anything in this, even though I don't like it. The models who own the pages can't possibly give everyone in their subscriber base what they want. The subscribers are looking for a product, and they're getting it. The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here, except a business relationship, and expecting a random w…

> Negotiating different rates with different subscribers for the same video price discrimination is good! For the rest of it, banning porn is probably a losing battle, but surely we can make fraud illegal, like passing yourself off as someone else. For the rest of the what-ifs, do nothing, or call the police. I don't think pornographers should have a special duty to act over a shopkeeper or bus driver.

Price discrimination is only good as long as rich people are paying more. But rich people are on average better at knowing how to pay less.
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