The worse thing is that car going according to a speed limit like 40-50km/h still can seriously injure or worse a pedestrian especially a child or elderly. Limiting the speed is one thing but adjusting road infrastructure in the cities to make it safer for pedestrians is a second thing-how many crosswalks I've seen that are barely visible- I don't even count. Surely everyone seen a local newspaper article at some point of pedestrian being killed but the driver was sober and wasn't speeding.
New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws
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#162At this rate, Europe will become 2nd world by the end of the century. Instead of focusing on innovation and competition in the global market, Europeans are busy legislating their freedoms away.
It's a sad state of affairs. Liberties are being killed one after another usually in the name of safety as-if all EU citizens are living in extreme fear and danger.
From deanonymization in crypto to Corona pass and tight border control and lockdowns people are being treated as the lowest common denominator - terrorists, money launderers and criminals.
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#163Most comments in this thread comments on the fact that Europeans are loosing their freedom do speed, and that they will not be able to drive fast. But that's just the title of an Australian website. In the article, and in the actual law, this is just about a *warning* to the driver, that can optionally be coupled with the cruise control, and that *can be overridden* by the driver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell…
First it's optional. Then they make it increasingly harder to disable. Then they make it mandatory. Surely everyone who has experienced abusive changes in software can see that pattern from a mile away? They aren't going to roast the frog, but instead boil it very slowly...
Well, cool. Speeding is the main source of accidents. Even escooters know where they are and reduce the maximum speed in some zones. Nobody ever was killed with an escooter. Why can't we restrict cars to the speed they are supposed to drive? It would make driving so much easier!
Is there a right to break the law?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok I'll bite. The single most thing I hate about driving car in Germany is the lack of an upper speed limit on big stretches of the Autobahn. If you cross over from any neighbouring country any driver will notice that what before was a friendly chugging along now has become a stressful battle between people who just want to go somewhere with a good compromise of speed and fuel use and speedsters who will breath up yo…
I thought the consensus is that speed bumps don't help, except in the very near vicinity of the bump? That's what I observe anyway.
Speed bumps alone don't help, that is right. You also need to have raised pedestrian crossings, you need to reduce lane width (maybe even so narrow that you have to yield when a car is coming from the other direction), the street needs to not be straight, etc. The space you get from that can be used for trees, bicycle paths, broader sidewalks and such niceties.
If all of this is there you can't just ride 50 km/h through there because it just feels wrong. Of course this is an example where we go from a limit of 50 to a limit of 30, but similar ideas exist for going from 70 to 50 etc.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure why this is the consistent take. We have e-scooters and bikes with limiters on speed, why would this be materially different than cars? It's not like it needs to slam on the brake, it just needs to disengage acceleration past a certain speed. This isn't new grounds for tech and it is _currently_ deployed on our streets. I'm not sure what the panic over this is, if anything this is a good thing - why shou…
The limits on ebikes are to prevent battery and motor overheating and catching fire.
No they are purely regulatory. Most S pedelects are just pedelecs whose software limit was unlocked.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the limits that could be imposed on cars are to prevent people from crashing and killing others and exceeding the speed limit. I don't see the difference, they're both valid reasons to reduce speed.
Because I tell machines what to do. I don't take orders from a computer.
The orders come from humans and the machine is informing you that you are breaking the law.
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#167It won’t stop them from speeding. “The ISA system is required to work with the driver and not to restrict his/her possibility to act in any moment during driving. The driver is always in control and can easily override the ISA system.” https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge...
Most speeding is unintentional. This will help the vast majority. The rest can he handled through enforcement of existing laws.
Yeah, of course this is a nudge system to help reduce speeding behaviourally.
I was addressing the title of the post: "New cars will stop drivers from speeding...".
They won't stop them - they will inform them through various means that they are speeding.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Passing a slow car (driving below the limit) on two lane undivided highway. You could pass them at the speed limit, but its safer to just speed up while passing the car and then reduce your speed when you are back in your lane. I had to do this multiple times passing RVs while on a road trip this weekend.
Ok, but legally you aren't allowed to do that. Also why is it safer? To me a predictable speed would be safer.
It's legal, at least in the US, if there is a dotted or broken yellow line between the two lanes, the opposite lane is clear, and you have enough time/space to complete the overtaking before it swaps back to solid yellow. For obvious reasons, you generally want to spend as little time as possible in a lane that has traffic coming at you head-on.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
The counter-argument to this is that driving a 2-ton machine capable of killing people is not a fundamental right either. I'm not saying that this isn't a privacy overreach and I think there are other things we can do to limit speeds (road design, etc.), but I think there's a reasonable balance to be found here.
Then take away the need for "real ID" to board planes and trains. Without the ability to travel freely, you end up very quickly with this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61793149
AFAIK there's no need to show IDs to board a train in Europe (maybe some EU countries have other rules there, I don't know).
For planes it will depend on whether you're crossing a border or not. Sometimes you get ID checks on domestic flights but that's because of airline policies (ie: fraud, insurance) rather than internal border control.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most speeding is unintentional. This will help the vast majority. The rest can he handled through enforcement of existing laws.
> Most speeding is unintentional Source?
Streets are designed for a certain max speed to be the safest speed. People drive the designed speed, not the sign speed. Governments place mobile speeding radars for revenue rather than making the streets safe.