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You don’t have to be a housewife to fulfill the other criteria.
You appear to be mistaking your personal preferences for universal human ideals. This is an easy mistake to make, as the things we want feel obvious and natural; it can be hard to imagine not wanting them, or wanting something contrary. It's OK to want whatever it is you want, but we're all different, and we really do want different things.
Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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This probably sounds really arrogant, but I’ve long given up finding a man as smart as me:) A basic ability to carry on a conversation and make decisions based on data would be nice
If you made such a comment on a date, I'd get up and walk out without saying another word to you. To be quite honest, you do come across as somewhat naive / self-centered to the extent where I need to ask if you've ever been in a serious long-term relationship. That, combined with the sense that you're approaching this from an achievement point-of-view, makes me think that you're in for a rough time. Relationships ar…
No offense OP - I don't know you and I'm not making a statement around you specifically, but more just the conclusions one could draw in general about a person that has posted the information you've posted. I wish you well.
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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All I'm trying to understand is how it is self evident - because you didn't provide any details. To summarize: 1) The original statement made by a poster was: "We're looking for a wife— take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook" 2) I asked who is 'We' in this context and that that statement is an out-dated view - because I'm not seeking those traits in women and based on comments in this thread - the…
I don't know how. Perhaps in our DNA, but I don't know. I'd wager that liking certain physical traits in the opposite sex is hard-coded into our DNA so I wouldn't be surprised if other things were too. But do I need to know how? Does the peacock, lizard or bell-bird need to know how? I acknowledge you not identifying with the sentiment in question but may I ask: Is it in your mind conceivable that you are the one who…
Men seeking women to "take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook" is not hard coded in our biology in my view. That's because you have so many examples nowadays where that's not the case, e.g. house husband - a man who stays at home and cooks and looks after kids. Or even in the past - there are signs that women assumed the role of a hunter [0].
It's something that's taught or picked up from the society you grew up in, e.g. traditional view that boys play with toy cars and girls play with dolls or men are the bread winner and women are at home cleaning, cooking and looking after the kids.
So in that way, yes it's conceivable that many people have not been brought up that way and are not looking for women that "take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook".
And that was my whole point - to counter the sweeping statement that it's what men are looking for, because it's hard coded in their nature.
[0] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/prehistor...
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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"smart enough"...after reading a lot of your replies, I get the sense this is biggest blocker. It seems you run a startup, so your looking for equal to that? Do you realize how rare that is? If I'm right about running a startup, or something of that nature of leadership, you may want to consider looking for someone that's funny and interesting, rather than smart. If you look at your male counterparts who have found m…
This probably sounds really arrogant, but I’ve long given up finding a man as smart as me:) A basic ability to carry on a conversation and make decisions based on data would be nice
Upon reading your post, it appears highly likely you are overestimating how clever you are.
Also, do not forget that almost nobody seeks a long term relationship (of the "looking for a mate" kind) where they do not feel "needed".
Another factor to consider is that grandiosity is often a symptom of a deep unmet need from childhood.
I hope you learn the humility which is necessary to find what you are looking for. Good luck!
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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I don't know how. Perhaps in our DNA, but I don't know. I'd wager that liking certain physical traits in the opposite sex is hard-coded into our DNA so I wouldn't be surprised if other things were too. But do I need to know how? Does the peacock, lizard or bell-bird need to know how? I acknowledge you not identifying with the sentiment in question but may I ask: Is it in your mind conceivable that you are the one who…
For me 'your hard-coded nature' means that it's not something you can change without altering your biology. Men seeking women to "take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook" is not hard coded in our biology in my view. That's because you have so many examples nowadays where that's not the case, e.g. house husband - a man who stays at home and cooks and looks after kids. Or even in the past - there are…
> It's something that's taught or picked up from the society you grew up in, e.g. traditional view that boys play with toy cars and girls play with dolls or men are the bread winner and women are at home cleaning, cooking and looking after the kids.
Oh, very baseless claims + wrong assumptions here. Assuming that you are actually willing to broaden your perspective, I would highly recommend to you this talk on the human brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjE_yaJjXE8 - You will love it if you love studies, which you seem to!
Your last two sentences are in direct contradiction to each other. If you agree that you may have been raised and taught in a way opposite to your hard-coded nature then that doesn't counter, but rather supports (!), the fact that there is such hard-coded nature.
Since you seemingly like anecdotes a lot and rely on them for all of your argument (while at the same time attacking my view for alleged lack of empirical evidence), let me ask: Are you a stay-at-home husband as well?
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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For me 'your hard-coded nature' means that it's not something you can change without altering your biology. Men seeking women to "take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook" is not hard coded in our biology in my view. That's because you have so many examples nowadays where that's not the case, e.g. house husband - a man who stays at home and cooks and looks after kids. Or even in the past - there are…
Your view is your view, so I don't get why you try to disguise it as some objective revelation. The whole world present & past generally happens to oppose your view. Anecdotal exceptions don't disprove rules, rather are a common trait of such. That NG article is meaningless, just full of speculation and a single isolated example of something that proves nothing. > It's something that's taught or picked up from the so…
Maybe we're having different definitions of hard-coded.
My definition of hard coded: something that's innate in us - something we're born with, e.g. encoded in DNA.
I don't think men looking for women to cook for them etc is hard-coded - because there are so many counter examples. Nature vs nurture.
Why do you think I was attacking your view? I was simply trying to understand why you think it's hard-coded.
And if you think that NG article is just speculation, then don't you think what you're claiming is also speculation?
I'm happily admitting that my comment is speculation based on what I'm observing.
But since I don't have a clear understanding of how this work, I'm asking these questions to get a fuller picture.
But you said you don't really know - so fair enough.
I do want to broaden my perspective and ideally with scientific research / reading articles by experts who have studied this subject for decades and I thought maybe you had those at hand to support the view that men are hard-coded (born with) to "looking for a wife— take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook"
That's all.
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
#687Earlier quoted context omitted.
You appear to be mistaking your personal preferences for universal human ideals. This is an easy mistake to make, as the things we want feel obvious and natural; it can be hard to imagine not wanting them, or wanting something contrary. It's OK to want whatever it is you want, but we're all different, and we really do want different things.
I don’t think so. I feel like you may be in a bubble. I travel a lot for work (within the US) and that seems to be the vast majority.
You're in a bubble, too, whether you see its boundaries or not. In order to speak meaningfully about what the "vast majority" of people want, we would need some actual research.
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Agreed. The term partner is really not what men are looking for. We’re looking for a wife— take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook. If you’re intelligent more the better.
Speak for yourself! A partner is exactly what I want. I don't need a cook or a housekeeper; if I did, I'd hire one. I want to be part of a team of equals, or I'd rather be single. I am not speaking hypothetically. It was a real problem for me when my ex-wife lost her job, gave up looking for another, and just... turned herself into a housewife. I could not relate to her anymore. This was not the issue which ultimatel…
i don't want to analyze or criticize your feelings, but since i may face a similar situation, i'd like to explore how to avoid that for myself.
i do want my wife to be an equal too, but how can she be if she is not working like me?
a couple of thoughts come to mind: (these are random ideas, i don't know if they all make sense)
there is a school of thought that says that housework should be treated like any other respectable fulltime job.
like in a startup, there are fun tasks and boring gruntwork. i am doing the programming work for the customers, which brings in the money and my businesspartner is managing the accounting, invoices and takes care of the office. we are saving the expense for a janitor, so we do cleanup ourselves, and since i am busy on the computer, it's mostly done by my partner (i remember reading about a CEO who said being a janitor was part of his duties)
so to translate that to a family, like a business, there are a number of things that need to be done. someone may be focusing on doing the work that brings in the money, and the other person is doing all those other things.
the point is, all those tasks are equally important for the success of a business as they are for a family. we would not consider a CEO to be less valued than the CTO, so why should the housewife be considered unequal to her money earning husband?
we are a team, where each of us is valued the same, but that doesn't mean we have to split the work equally too. instead everyone contributes according to their ability.
i think what your problem may have been that you simply were unprepared for the change and didn't know how to deal with it. i don't know how i am going to deal with that either, but at least i know it will most likely be happening so i'll do my best to prepare.
a few more thoughts of what could help to achive equality when one partner is not working:
make decisions together. especially about spending money. care for each others goals and interests outside of work and housework. in other words, take each other seriously, regardless of what the other is contributing. treat the housework as enabling your outside work, just like the CEO enables the CTO.
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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I'm not comment OP, but you literally said "I was like, um, I’m not sure I knew I was for SALE?" A women for sale is pretty much a whore, so it doesn't seem they read into rather than taking you literally. But even regardless, the fact that you took his word 'taken' in a literal sense rather than the compliment it was intended as, and here your defending it again rather than reflecting. If your crossing off guys beca…
How would you feel on a date if a woman asked, "why have you not been taken?"
And if it was a serious question asked early on, I would probably reply with something I don't like about myself, a weakness, if you will. It's not an entirely unreasonable question.
Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?
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While reading your post I was thinking the same thing but the parent comment put it a lot more elegantly than I could lmao. I don't really have a lot of advice because a) I'm quite young and I've never dated someone and b) I don't really want kids, but I'm replying to let you know that I wish you all the best!
You are a love. Thank you so much for your encouragement.
By contrast, there are plenty of kids who are alone and would be grateful if someone gives the the love of parents. There are already here, no need to bring more. Why is having shared genes is necessary if you just want to love a child?