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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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This is model 3. You have to expect some compromises on the budget systems. Do the flagship models (S, Plaid) have better systems?

The higher priced cars use the same system.

Cybertruck will likely get more cameras and a new cpu. It will also likely be a downgrade for a while.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Not having that much situational awareness sounds super dangerous. 50 ft is way too little for safe driving.

It's not that I say 50ft is the only zone, but its my main focus, that and traffic around me (Mind you, this is all highway) With the Comma, it moves out a good bit, Allowing me to process more of the future traffic going on and the more edge cases that might come up at highway speeds. Also its vision and radar based so it keeps me 250ft+ from the car in front of me and keeps speed, it won't ever change lanes. This i…

50 ft is just three car lengths. That's a really short distance while driving.

If something happens suddenly in that range, you might not be able to brake in time even if you were driving at just 20 mph.

You might actually mean a longer distance?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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You know this for an absolute fact and swear to it on first hand knowledge?

Really?

Yes, really. The world is obese with fantastical conclusions propagated by terrible practice of first hand experience and thus spreads rumors and worse.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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I really don't understand how Tesla markets something as "Autopilot" and "Full Self-Driving" and then also says "oh it's beta" and "you must be ready to take control of the car at any second".

It’s not autopilot, it’s Autopilot. They’re making up their own branded feature called Autopilot which is nothing like what any reasonable person would consider to be autopilot. If you go back through the years here, you’ll see increasing care they use with their language: https://web.archive.org/web/*/Tesla.com/autopilot Look at the snake oil they were peddling in 2016: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory,…

From the viewpoint of Tesla’s marketing and legal departments, the nice thing about that phrase is that there’s no way to prove it clearly is false.

Their claim isn’t about their cars; it’s about the fact that some software can be created that gives their cars “a self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver”. Even if they never manage to deliver such software, that’s no proof such software doesn’t exist.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#235

Why is the US allowing this beta testing of a feature that impacts safety to continue? There have to be at least dozens of documented cases of this being unsafe. Have regulators just given up or are they that incompetent?

Because it hasn't impacted safety, there have been no known accidents so far with over 100k users. It's also the driver's responsibility to disengage at first sign of trouble, just like as it is on a freeway with cruise control on any other car. The problem is many of these Youtubers try to push the system to test its limits, and wait until the last second to disengage, or let it do the wrong thing (for clicks? look…

There are numerous FSD Beta crashes according to NHTSA complaints, including ones that occurred prior to Elon tweeting that none had occurred.

https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1539607989937741825

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Whenever somebody calls musk the smartest man in the world, they don't understand the connection between data labeling and Tesla's propensity to stop for nothing and crash into stopped emergency vehicles.

OpenPilot doesn’t have a data labeling team. I think you should do some more research before doing a drive by comment on something you know nothing about.

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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> You are not (currently) using an autonomous car. If you think so you are an idiot. Let's define autonomous as self driving. According to their marketing page[1]: > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time. So it has capabilities of autonomous driving, which means a…

They phrase it weirdly (accidentally/possibly/probably/certainly (take your pick) in order to confuse the readers), but all that says is that they eventually will provide the software running on the hardware you buy today to actually do it.

I disagree. When I read this:

> Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time.

What I understand is this:

Tesla cars come with hardware capable of providing features for the Autopilot system and come with full self driving capabilities. The functionality related to these capabilities will be improved over time through software updates.

If they meant that there will eventually be software that works with the hardware in the system, but there isn't software today, they should word it differently.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Meanwhile Cruise just obtained permission to charge passengers for driverless rides in San Francisco [1]. Cruise has been cleared to charge for rides in vehicles that will have no other people in them besides the passengers. There will be no back-up human driver present to take control if something goes wrong. Why is Tesla so far behind? Tesla is generating these autopilot mishap news on such a regular basis that it…

Cruise and Waymo have lidar. Lidar can give you much more certainty about detecting objects and distances. Teslas only use cameras and have to do complex image analysis to detect objects. On the other hand lidar is more expensive. But it is getting cheaper and it does seem like it might be necessary for actual self driving.

The train appears on the car's HUD and the distance appears to be calculated properly before it tries to turn in front of it. I don't think object detection is what went wrong in this case (which is scarier imo).

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever somebody calls musk the smartest man in the world, they don't understand the connection between data labeling and Tesla's propensity to stop for nothing and crash into stopped emergency vehicles.

OpenPilot doesn’t have a data labeling team. I think you should do some more research before doing a drive by comment on something you know nothing about.

Are you saying that it is OpenPilot that is responsible for Teslas crashing into stopped vehicles and barriers and turning illegally in front of trams; and that more or better data labeling would not improve that behavior?

Because I didn't see any mention of "OpenPilot", as such.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Not having that much situational awareness sounds super dangerous. 50 ft is way too little for safe driving.

It's not that I say 50ft is the only zone, but its my main focus, that and traffic around me (Mind you, this is all highway) With the Comma, it moves out a good bit, Allowing me to process more of the future traffic going on and the more edge cases that might come up at highway speeds. Also its vision and radar based so it keeps me 250ft+ from the car in front of me and keeps speed, it won't ever change lanes. This i…

50 ft is 15 meters and change, at regular car speeds that is much shorter than your reaction speed. It's essentially an accident waiting to happen. At highway speeds you should be looking about 200 ft ahead of you for safe driving. See the 'two second rule', and that's for clear skies, daylight:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Safe-driving-distance-2-...

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