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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by MrThoughtful »

Is anybody publicly tracking Teslas self-driving progress over time?

I have been googling a bit, but not found anything:

Is somebody out there driving the same route again and again , tracking the number of disengagements over time?

There are gazillions of YouTubers who constantly put out videos how they drive their Teslas. But they all do the opposite: They try to think about new routes for every video.

I wonder if there is not a single one out there who tracks and documents the progress?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by CommieBobDole »

I always post this in these threads, but my one experience driving a friend's Tesla on autopilot involved, after about two or three minutes of driving, a sudden attempt at 'correcting' onto the wrong side of a divided road at an intersection.

It was admittedly sort of a weird intersection (oddly-angled 4-way on a curve) but it did feel awfully enthusiastic about driving into oncoming traffic.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by deng »

988747 wrote: post #33

One thing about this video that caught my attention: around 14:40, Tesla is in the "forward" lane, but it tries to make a left turn. While I agree that this is against the rules, my experience with driving around a big city is: half of the human drivers would try to do the same, if they accidentally ended up in the wrong lane. So, if Tesla is using data captured while human is driving, can it pick up bad habits as we…

Here's the thing: I don't think the Tesla even realizes it is in the wrong lane.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by wutbrodo »

belter wrote: post #141
petilon wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but how often do you see negative stories about Cruise and Waymo? Where lives are endangered? The story about cars stopped in the middle of a street doesn't count since lives were not in danger.

Does Cruise on Cruise crash counts? "A Cruise-on-Cruise Crash Reveals the Hardest Thing About Self-Driving Tech": https://www.wired.com/story/cruise-on-cruise-crash-hardest-t... In this case a Cruise car was rear ended by a Cruise car driven by a human, because their unsophisticated software makes for the car to break hard. As explained in the article: "...That said, the rear-endings demonstrate that the technology i…

This story is from 2018...the lidar-focused portion of the AV industry has advanced lightyears since then.

You may as well post an article about Eliza to make a pt about DallE.

And the limited domain you're describing for Cruise is the domain in which they've reached the statistical safety performance required to fully remove a safety driver. They and Waymo are driving all over the city during the day, with very few disengagements: it's been a couple years since they've been able to post credible evidence of long and complex disengagement-free drives.

The last epsilon% of safety performance is the hardest, and I'm not convinced they or Waymo can crack it soon. But your comments are horribly misinformed.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by LightG »

mountainriver wrote: post #30

The fact that this can be solved using LiDAR, just seems irresponsible to not

Personally, the problem is more fundamental.

You can see the tram on the screen so the Tesla is aware of it. It just f@cked up the response to it.

Lidar wouldn't solve that.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by LightG »

rsynnott wrote: post #52

This feels like an escalation from the usual cars and bollards and things. Possibly The Algorithm has become bored, and we can expect a series of robocars menacing more and more unlikely vehicles, culminating in a spectacular near-miss with a zeppelin.

Hahahha! I laughed. Not worried about the downvotes.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by ncmncm »

nabla9 wrote: post #140
ncmncm wrote: post #2

??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

> Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, They closed office full of hourly workers labeling data, because their automated process can do it with less people. Those guys are not AI engineers, they are doing menial work.

And tagged all 200 as fired for bad performance. Just to avoid complying with labor law. Classy move, Tesla.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by jeffbee »

cloutchaser wrote: post #117
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just can’t understand why you’d give up control to a system that’s clearly still in beta. The cost of failure is way too high to take the risk.

The whole point should be you don't. You are giving live feedback to the most advanced ML learning system ever (probably). Which hopefully in a few years will actually work. You are not (currently) using an autonomous car. If you think so you are an idiot.

> the most advanced ML learning system ever

Imagine believing this.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by technobach »

aiisjustanif wrote: post #133
ra7 wrote: post #106

Here is another idiot "testing" it out in front a school bus. The car wouldn't stop so he had to intervene: https://youtu.be/zQO6RJCUPEI?t=10 I'm continually surprised how it's still being allowed on public roads. Tesla claims it's not an autonomous system to regulators and refuses to provide any data, while marketing it as imminent Level 5 self driving. It seems like it will take someone to be seriously injured or d…

Why is the guy an idiot?

Tesla claims FSD is in beta. Subjecting unwilling children into this beta testing seems at the very least reckless, if not other less savoury words.
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