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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really need a lesson to know not to turn just in front of a tram?

People still do despite knowing this. Loss of licence is the only cure. My biggest peeve are idiots pulling in too close in front of a 44 ton truck just so they can turn left.

To many the loss of own car is a good enough cure. Trams can rarely pull a full stop in that time.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#53
post #2

??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

> Supposedly the "important" people are still employed. Karpathy is still on a "sabbatical". The odds of him returning from that is pretty much zero.

Wait. Karpathy is on sabbatical? Says who?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#54
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though many cities have them they're sort of glossed over in drivers ed and it clearly shows at times.

Do people really need a lesson to know not to turn just in front of a tram?

If they do it may end up being a very permanent lesson, those things may look flimsy but they definitely aren't. A frontal collision between a truck and a tram in Amsterdam left the tram without so much as a dent, though it did have a couple of scratches in the paint work. The truck could have served as a mold to cast trams from.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Supposedly the "important" people are still employed. Karpathy is still on a "sabbatical". The odds of him returning from that is pretty much zero.

Wait. Karpathy is on sabbatical? Says who?

Says Karparthy IRL. And yes I doubt he’ll return.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#56
post #7

I used it every day and it does almost all of my daily driving. If it never improves from where it is now, it will be worth the $6k I paid for it. And yeah, you gotta watch it and pay attention.

No snark intended, but doesn't having to constantly pay attention and be ready to take over control negate a lot of the benefit of the self-driving features? It seems like you'd have to apply just as much mental energy to the task as if you were actually driving, so the only real benefit is that you don't have to physically make the motions. In fact in some ways it seems mentally worse, since when you're driving you…

I hate it, I would much rather just drive. Supervising a car driving for me is a lot more boring and fatiguing.

Once I let me guard down, was not paying attention, the road markings went missing annd the car almost ran straight into oncoming traffic.

It wasn't a Tesla but a similar thing.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#58

The comments are a pile-on of criticism and how can this be legal. The question is what percentage of self driving hours lead to a situation like this, is it high enough to determine it's unsafe compared to non autopilot or statistically an outlier?

It doesn't matter how statistically safe it is. Putting unreliable software like that in the streets causes more crashes than drivers. The sudden swervings, the phantom braking, the absolutely batshit insane behavior and the frankly dangerous "lidar is for scrubs we're only going to use cameras" behaviour and Tesla having autopilot turn off ever so slightly before a crash so that their logs can say that it wasn't on are so many reasons that it should be off the roads and Tesla fined so hard.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#59
post #2

??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

I can’t imagine there is a way to get a refund, but if I could I would. 10k on something they won’t even let me beta test because where I live triggers incorrect forward collision warnings too frequently for my driving to be considered good enough. I was skeptical but paid up front, and I’m pretty sure I got taken

Sue, I guess. Seems like they would settle quickly because fighting tens of thousands of lawsuits would look bad. And, maybe anyway cost more than settling.
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