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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by belter »

paywallasinbeer wrote: post #16

https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=978 is the linked video and it happens at 16:20.

Same video, another almost disaster forcing driver to break hard: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=428

It's a tram not a train, the driver does call it a tram, but labels the video a train...It's the new era of word twisting..inspired by FSD...

Edit: Still the same video, here driver has to break hard. Would run a red light, get several people killed at that large, busy, and fast intersection: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=738

Insane....just insane, and that is being diplomatic.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by D13Fd »

thathndude wrote: post #22
NelsonMinar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand how Tesla markets something as "Autopilot" and "Full Self-Driving" and then also says "oh it's beta" and "you must be ready to take control of the car at any second".

I’m a lawyer, and I don’t get it. How hasn’t the FCC shut them down? I get it, they have an asterisk, and the asterisk makes clear that it’s not full self driving. But this feels to me like selling a product as boneless, including an asterisk, and then saying “actually not boneless, chew carefully”.

> How hasn’t the FCC shut them down?

Should be FTC, but yeah. This seems like a clear case of an unfair and deceptive trade practice that (literally, physically) injures consumers.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by jaxn »

kypro wrote: post #31
jaxn wrote: post #7

I used it every day and it does almost all of my daily driving. If it never improves from where it is now, it will be worth the $6k I paid for it. And yeah, you gotta watch it and pay attention.

I guess to pay devil's advocate here the question you need to be asking is if it would still be worth it if a loved one was driving your Tesla and they crashed because your Tesla drove them into a train. Even if Tesla Autopilot was significantly safer than a human driver I know I would still struggle knowing a love one died because the AI in my car decide to make a really stupid (albeit unlikely) decision. Right or w…

I think of it in terms of I am still piloting the vehicle, but FSD is executing the maneuvers. This means that I am able to focus on the bigger picture (looking further forward, paying attention to what is going on in all lanes, etc).

I am a MUCH safer driver with autopilot/FSD than without.

So, to your devil's advocate, I am sure I would blame myself if my family member died while driving my car no matter what the car was. But FSD in my car has prevented accidents for me and my family.

Edited to add: I don't want to pretend it is without risks. My biggest fear with FSD/autopilot is that it requires a constant understanding of who is in control. And that is the thing I stress to my friends/family. Your #1 job, and the thing that can kill you, is thinking that autopilot is engaged when it isn't and running a red light or driving off the road on an interstate exit.

Tesla gave me a loaner for a couple days while my car was in the shop. The loaner did not have FSD, and there were a couple of times I expected it to stop and it didn't. It was mentally tough b/c it was familiar like my car, but it wasn't my car.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by jacquesm »

jetbalsa wrote: post #34
rainsford wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No snark intended, but doesn't having to constantly pay attention and be ready to take over control negate a lot of the benefit of the self-driving features? It seems like you'd have to apply just as much mental energy to the task as if you were actually driving, so the only real benefit is that you don't have to physically make the motions. In fact in some ways it seems mentally worse, since when you're driving you…

I used a Comma 3 (somewhat close to FSD, just simpler) and I found that it allows to you look forward in time more then you normally would. Normally you might be looking at the first 50ft for issues, now I find I'm able to expand out to 200ft and look around more for traffic.

Not having that much situational awareness sounds super dangerous. 50 ft is way too little for safe driving.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by [deleted] »

rainsford wrote: post #24
jaxn wrote: post #7

I used it every day and it does almost all of my daily driving. If it never improves from where it is now, it will be worth the $6k I paid for it. And yeah, you gotta watch it and pay attention.

No snark intended, but doesn't having to constantly pay attention and be ready to take over control negate a lot of the benefit of the self-driving features? It seems like you'd have to apply just as much mental energy to the task as if you were actually driving, so the only real benefit is that you don't have to physically make the motions. In fact in some ways it seems mentally worse, since when you're driving you…

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

MarkMarine wrote: post #14
ncmncm wrote: post #2

??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

I can’t imagine there is a way to get a refund, but if I could I would. 10k on something they won’t even let me beta test because where I live triggers incorrect forward collision warnings too frequently for my driving to be considered good enough. I was skeptical but paid up front, and I’m pretty sure I got taken

> they won’t even let me beta test because where I live triggers incorrect forward collision warnings too frequently for my driving to be considered good enough

WTF. And I guess they will still compare "Autopilot" accidents with your average driver's, when they are literally combing (supervisor) drivers for their skill?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by TheChaplain »

988747 wrote: post #33

One thing about this video that caught my attention: around 14:40, Tesla is in the "forward" lane, but it tries to make a left turn. While I agree that this is against the rules, my experience with driving around a big city is: half of the human drivers would try to do the same, if they accidentally ended up in the wrong lane. So, if Tesla is using data captured while human is driving, can it pick up bad habits as we…

Yes, it would not surprise me. I once had Google Maps asking me to go against a one-way road, but I think their algorithms are better as it is very rare I encounter stupidities like that.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by bamboozled »

mancerayder wrote: post #43

The comments are a pile-on of criticism and how can this be legal. The question is what percentage of self driving hours lead to a situation like this, is it high enough to determine it's unsafe compared to non autopilot or statistically an outlier?

If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that having machines making mistakes maybe ok if it's statistically less likely to happen than humans?
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