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Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

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Post by glowingly »

ncmncm wrote: post #165
glowingly wrote: post #97

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If in the US, "OpenWrt WiFi 6" options are largely the Linksys/Belkin E8450/RT3200, the TPLink EAP615 In Wall, the Unifi U6 Lite, and U6 LR. Both U6s and the Belkin/Linksys units are AX on 5GHz spectrum, and N on 2.4GHz. TPLink's EAP615 is AX on both.

Enough so that both Amazon and eBay have made it near impossible to search for that Linksys model. They show everything but.

Amazon US has it shipped and sold by Amazon as the first search result, at $150. The Belkin can be found for ~I was unable to find the the opposite combination.

That being said, I think I should have listed it as: Linksys E8450 and Belkin RT3200. Only difference is the Linksys is black and the Belkin is white. Internal HW is (so far) identical.

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Post by grishka »

philsnow wrote: post #266
torstenvl wrote: post #168

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I used to be able to tell I was about to get a GSM text message by the way my (wired) computer speakers would make a distinct quiet staccato crackle sound.

Back in ~2001 I saw cute little devices you put in your car and they would light up / blink / dance when it detected the same thing.

They also came in the form of thingies you tied to the lanyard hole on your phone. I had one with my first phone in the mid-00s.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

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Post by altairprime »

danachow wrote: post #264
altairprime wrote: post #154

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I assume it will accomplish helping the FCC realize that some people are upset about interference in the unlicensed bands between popular consumer products from a large company (Logitech) and a larger company (Apple). I'm not confident in making any accurate predictions beyond that, but it's not my job to predict what they'll do — it's my job as a consumer to report problems to them, and let them act or not as they s…

> I assume it will accomplish helping the FCC realize that some people are upset about interference in the unlicensed bands Trust me - they are very well aware of this - and Part 15 is already written with this in mind. No one is surprised that all the junk in the ISM band interferes - as I said elsewhere I think many of us are constantly amazed it works as well as it does. This is also not enforceable interference -…

> Are you hoping they will carve out a slice of new spectrum for AirPods and give it to Apple for free?

No.

> Consumer protection meaning scams and fraud over telecommunication or provision of services

It was their choice to invite consumer complaints about radio interference in unlicensed bands using a crafted UI.

> Having read complaints I know that yours won’t nearly be the dumbest by far but it’s still dumb.

Please don’t be unproductively insulting and vicious at HN.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

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Post by danachow »

altairprime wrote: post #273
danachow wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I assume it will accomplish helping the FCC realize that some people are upset about interference in the unlicensed bands Trust me - they are very well aware of this - and Part 15 is already written with this in mind. No one is surprised that all the junk in the ISM band interferes - as I said elsewhere I think many of us are constantly amazed it works as well as it does. This is also not enforceable interference -…

> Are you hoping they will carve out a slice of new spectrum for AirPods and give it to Apple for free? No. > Consumer protection meaning scams and fraud over telecommunication or provision of services It was their choice to invite consumer complaints about radio interference in unlicensed bands using a crafted UI. > Having read complaints I know that yours won’t nearly be the dumbest by far but it’s still dumb. Plea…

> It was their choice to invite consumer complaints about radio interference in unlicensed bands using a crafted UI.

When I go to the FCC link you posted, I don't even see what you're talking about. I see a menu of: TV, Phone, Internet, Radio, Access for People with Disabilities, and Emergency Communications, Affordable Connectivity Program and "Tell us Your Story". None of those initial menu options would even apply - this isn't disrupting your TV, Phone, Internet or broadcast radio services. "Tell us your story" is just a free text entry form - nothing about radio interference/unlicensed.

So maybe you can clarify.

>> Are you hoping they will carve out a slice of new spectrum for AirPods and give it to Apple for free?

> No.

Well then what, really? Why not just call the police then? If each company is selling an FCC certified device that is running within the parameters of its certification (which is likely the case) - the FCC has nothing to act on. You are asking the feds to intervene on no actual rule breaking. Devices sharing the "trash" ISM band are often going to interfere even when operating within specification. You might have a better bet with the FTC or a civil case. Yes, it would be nice if Logitech or Apple did something to play nice, but it's not a federal communications regulations issue.

Also you asked for the FCC to respond. If you look at the FAQ, the FCC does not directly respond to consumer complaints - it would totally overwhelm them with the terrible signal to noise ratio. They indirectly respond insofar as demanding a response from the provider for service related issues https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us/articles/2050828...

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Post by MereInterest »

p_l wrote: post #262
MereInterest wrote: post #249

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I'd love to hear the history of it, because my understanding was that the 2.4 GHz band would be useless for long-distance communication even without microwave ovens, due to atmospheric attenuation. That is, 2.4 GHz is useful for microwave ovens and useless for long-distance radio for the same reason, because they are easily absorbed by water.

Essentially when microwaves were introduced the 2.4GHz spectrum wasn't allocated from my understanding, and USA proposed the current allocation as global one so that nobody would try to depend on it and then suddenly face interference from airliner's microwave oven (for example while on the ground) - this move preempted various legal issues of including the devices in airplane equipment and probably made for easier s…

Thank you, and I hadn't known that part of the history. I knew that microwave ovens could cause issues, especially for older models with poor shielding or if the door is opened prematurely, but hadn't realized that was the reason it stayed unlicensed.

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Post by esperent »

ncmncm wrote: post #167
esperent wrote: post #121

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Living in a country where ground wires are not installed as standard, oh you are so wrong. Anything that has a wall plug carries crazy levels of background hum to any audio equipment I plug into it. I'm sure there is something I could buy to fix that (I can't fix the electrics though as I'm renting). On the other hand, instead of doing loads of research and buying new equipment, I can just connect my headphones or sp…

Buy a 1:1 transformer. Plug it into the wall, and plug in a power strip at the other end.

Thanks for the suggestion, I had not heard of this before.

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Post by esperent »

SECProto wrote: post #131
esperent wrote: post #121

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Living in a country where ground wires are not installed as standard, oh you are so wrong. Anything that has a wall plug carries crazy levels of background hum to any audio equipment I plug into it. I'm sure there is something I could buy to fix that (I can't fix the electrics though as I'm renting). On the other hand, instead of doing loads of research and buying new equipment, I can just connect my headphones or sp…

I've lived in a country without ground wires (japan), and used desktop speakers and headphones without issue.

I'm in Vietnam. Possibly it's something else with the power grid causing interference? Any device with metal sides (like a mac laptop) also constantly gives tiny electric shocks to people.

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Post by esperent »

Marsymars wrote: post #176
esperent wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in a country where ground wires are not installed as standard, oh you are so wrong. Anything that has a wall plug carries crazy levels of background hum to any audio equipment I plug into it. I'm sure there is something I could buy to fix that (I can't fix the electrics though as I'm renting). On the other hand, instead of doing loads of research and buying new equipment, I can just connect my headphones or sp…

I have a pair of wireless RF headphones. They’re awesome - the base connects via optical, so no interference of any sort, the signal range is fantastic, the lag is minuscule, the pairing with the base is always automatic and perfect, and they take rechargeable AAA batteries that can recharge within the headphones when they’re on the base, or can be easily replaced.

That's cool, I'll take a look for these next time I'm headphone shopping.

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Post by altairprime »

danachow wrote: post #274
altairprime wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you hoping they will carve out a slice of new spectrum for AirPods and give it to Apple for free? No. > Consumer protection meaning scams and fraud over telecommunication or provision of services It was their choice to invite consumer complaints about radio interference in unlicensed bands using a crafted UI. > Having read complaints I know that yours won’t nearly be the dumbest by far but it’s still dumb. Plea…

> It was their choice to invite consumer complaints about radio interference in unlicensed bands using a crafted UI. When I go to the FCC link you posted, I don't even see what you're talking about. I see a menu of: TV, Phone, Internet, Radio, Access for People with Disabilities, and Emergency Communications, Affordable Connectivity Program and "Tell us Your Story". None of those initial menu options would even apply…

> the FCC does not directly respond to consumer complaints

I consider the chances of a personal response from the FCC to be vanishingly small.

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Post by grumpyprole »

SECProto wrote: post #261
grumpyprole wrote: post #178

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Not always true. The USB-C port is already loose on my Android phone after only 1 year of use. I cannot use it with a DAC on the go for music, as the slightest wobble will cause a disconnect. I never had this issue with headphone jacks, but even so, wireless has some advantages.

Ah that's fair - I am not a fan of how manufacturers have removed aux ports on phones for exactly this reason. A phone without an aux port is a dealbreaker for me (currently looking for a phone to replace my 4 year old galaxy a8, it's tough to find one as good!)

The Sony Xperia's look good, but they are expensive.
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