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Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#531

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Throwaway, because I'm going to say things that may not be all that kosher, but you asked for honest feedback, so here. Additionally, you're asking some very nerdy nerds this advice on a Saturday of a long weekend. The population sample here is biased as hell. Also, lets face it, men are pigs. And without a picture of you, we're all just guessing as to real reasons why. And, no, that doesn't mean I want a pic of you,…

I’m sorry but I find this overly simplified psychological model of men quite demeaning. Sure you will find men who do fit this model, but why the hell would you want to? You are essentially asking op to change who she is to fit into an outdated model of the world. Moreover the person she finds will likely be completely incompatible for her and even abusive toward her. This is bad advice

Thanks for the feedback!

The 3Ps model comes from Gilmore's 1991 book Manhood in the Making: Cultural Concepts of Masculinity. It's a dense read and very well researched. The 3Ps comes out of the studies on male honor and that culture and how they are all linked together. Very few societies do not have male honor cultures. And yes, not all males participate in their honor culture, but as a consequence they are not considered 'real men' in their culture. The culture of men in Texas very much has the 3Ps defining a 'real man'.

https://www.amazon.com/Manhood-Making-Cultural-Concepts-Masc...

As for asking OP to change, welp, yeah. I mean, she's literally asking HN what she needs to change to get a man to settle with her.

I don't see why they would be abusive at all. The Protector role is the literal opposite of that. A 'real man' protects his family and loved ones, he does not harm them. This is in part why wife-beaters and child abusers are so reviled in the culture and courts of Texas.

Hopefully the book will be a good summer read for you. Thanks again!

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#532
You shouldn't be looking for `love hack`. Your viewing dating as a bug worth solving through teaching, activities and numbers. I view love kind as a very special kind of friendship. And friendship is not really planned. Your best friend might be very different from what a planned best friend would look like. But, life brought you this best friend and it stuck for the best. I would encourage you to just accept whatever comes your way as you would with any beginning of friendship, and accept to let it grow. :)

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#533

> I’ve deeply invested myself in therapy, support groups, meditation, dating coaching, yoga and hypnotism. I’ve known plenty of my female friends who were so aggressively “fixing” and improving themselves, that they even didn’t notice how big their ego had become. Their whole life was revolving around Me Me Me, I want to be perfect, I want a perfect marriage, I want a perfect husband, I am perfect, I I I… It’s hard t…

Totally agree. It's something I noticed a lot when I was living in SV, and I think a symptom of the cultural zeitgeist combined with the notorious superficiality of the typical California crowd.

My first wife's sister was a typical example, perfect on paper but a total trainwreck IRL. Her constant mindfulness retreats and yoga sessions (she was an instructor) had reinforced her self-image to such an extent that she couldn't see herself as anything but blameless in any manifest issue with another person while in reality, she was one of the worst narcissists I've ever encountered and a pathological manipulator to boot.

I'm not against activities such as meditation or yoga, as long as they're framed properly. They're inherently escapist and do not magically make someone a better person.

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#534
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if you truly love someone then you care about their happiness, and that includes caring about their interests. you should naturally want to support their interests because you want to make them happy.

That’s why it’s a hack. It’s unreasonably effective. Waiting for true love is how people end up alone.

true love is the goal that you want to develop with your current partner. you do it by caring about them and their interests, and getting them to care about yours.

the point is: don't just pretend to be interested. but try to honestly care. if you honestly love this person, you should be able to. pretending may help to get you started, but if you have to keep pretending, you may end up unhappy. better find something else to love about your partner.

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#535
Some ideas worth exploring.

1. Find a guy from a set that's undervalued. For example: 20-something shy nerd that's inexperienced with women, and doesn't have a lot of self confidence. In 10 years, they would probably be a "catch" but caught by someone else then. Think grad/law/med student at highly competitive technical university.

For example, read about Scott Aaronson's early adult years https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/the-blo... and the type of person who he could have connected to then.

Downside is you may not find them immediately attractive, but you need to have some perspective on what they will be like with a few years of maturity and self-confidence will bring. Note they may not be that actively dating, so it might require extra effort to meet, and the stigma some may attach to going out with someone 10-15 years younger.

2. Cosmetic surgery. Be brutally honest on what can take you from, say, an 8 to a 9. Guys like certain physical attributes, and in general may get you more attention even outside of a dating app.

3. Be more open to men you're not immediately attracted to. Perhaps you think they're obese--but that could be a reflection of being single in their 30s and 40s and being unmotivated. Guys can clean up real well if they have a reason to.

4. Go move to different city/countries for a few weeks or months. You'll likely get some attention as a new person and get some totally different types of men to date.

5. Hit up your married networks. Be shameless. Ask your female friends to ask their spouses if they know anyone at work. Could be "Yeah, Dave is a mess, just got divorced after his wife cheated on him--he needs someone sweet and understanding". DON'T ask for pictures before agreeing to date, just base it on your friend's character assessments.

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

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> My time for having children is running out. Well since you worry about that, you can freeze and storage gametes. I don't know how hard it is in the USA. About the main subject, I can share a community on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/ (note that some people find the sub controversial)

This sub looks like an echo-chamber for bitter spinsters. Not sure how anyone can recommend it in good faith

The OP appears like someone who is a mod in that community already from her replies. They are beyond the pale.

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#537

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Agreed. The term partner is really not what men are looking for. We’re looking for a wife— take care of my house and children, be attractive and cook. If you’re intelligent more the better.

Speak for yourself! A partner is exactly what I want. I don't need a cook or a housekeeper; if I did, I'd hire one. I want to be part of a team of equals, or I'd rather be single. I am not speaking hypothetically. It was a real problem for me when my ex-wife lost her job, gave up looking for another, and just... turned herself into a housewife. I could not relate to her anymore. This was not the issue which ultimatel…

You don’t have to be a housewife to fulfill the other criteria.

Re: Ask HN: I’m 41 and still unmarried – what should I do?

#540

A good friend of mine once told me: "You can be a great mother or a great career woman. You can't be great at both." She's now a SVP at a well-known company, but got there by making a conscious decision to forgo raising a family of her own. You seem like a very busy person, so I have to ask: are you prepared to give it all up? Or are you just looking to check off a box of life's accomplishments, like a project manage…

People always parrot that advice as if it’s a fact, when there are ample counter examples out there in the world.
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