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You have to be pragmatic with respect to such things.
Even most European corporate clients I've worked with have dumped IE6, most going straight to IE9.
Unfortunately IE6 is still very popular in the corporate world of Europe. I'm currently running an internal websurvey for a large car rental company and looking at this weeks http logs shows that IE6 is still getting 61% :(
Large car rental companies are not exactly cutting edge on IT. They tend to have a lot of small locations that's not exactly easy to start upgrading because of the cost of sending people out to do it all. My local branches look like they had their last refurb in the late 90s for example. One example does not a sample make.
These aren't the rental outlets but their main business offices in UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal & Bulgaria!
NB. The Bulgarian results shows 71% using IE6 in their main office(s).
One example does not a sample make
At no point did I say it was relevant outside my sample :)
Perhaps I am naive but this conversation seems easy to resolve with just a few words. Can anyone tell me how a client would respond to this: You can have a site with newer, nicer features, or you can have a site that supports older browsers. If you want both then you are commissioning two distinct websites. If you want usage statistics for old browsers I have them, and if you want to be economical I can produce the s…
To me that's lying to them. While supporting IE6 is onerous extra work, it's still work that can be done and has little impact on the final product. Take the other position, that 'Not supporting IE6 will mean I'll charge you 70% of my original quote, only x% of people use it in your target market' or better add it as an extra in the quote in the first place as the article suggests. Then it's up to them, it's a risk a…
Trying to build a responsive, dynamic webapp, that is identical in IE6 to a modern browser can easily add a lot of time. Just as an example, producing all the graphics for rounded corners, rather than being able to do them in CSS.
In some recent projects I even worked hard to convince the client that it wasn't worth supporting IE8. It's not only that it loads faster with modern techniques (as CSS3 allows awesome effects that would need images/javascript with CSS2), but some functionality built around HTML5 would need a COMPLETE rewrite in Flash.
Of course that means that if they insist on supporting older browsers not only that would mean a 30%-100% increase in price but new features the want afterwards will be more expensive as well (because you're supporting two different projects).
What I find curious is that the de-duper apparently doesn't check for case differences in the URL encoded characters.
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Unfortunately IE6 is still very popular in the corporate world of Europe. I'm currently running an internal websurvey for a large car rental company and looking at this weeks http logs shows that IE6 is still getting 61% :(
Large car rental companies are not exactly cutting edge on IT. They tend to have a lot of small locations that's not exactly easy to start upgrading because of the cost of sending people out to do it all. My local branches look like they had their last refurb in the late 90s for example. One example does not a sample make.
This is because most of their intranet apps will only work in IE6, and they have the size to demand that their supplies support IE6 too. Corporate IT policy won't allow browsers apart from IE.
If only Microsoft allowed side-by-side installs of IE6 and a IE8 it might be a bit more bearable (given that IE9 is not available on XP)
I'm a web developer, whenever a client asks me about IE6 support, i enthusiastically tell them i'll happily support it. I then show them usage statistics for IE6 and tell them IE6 support costs a flat fee of £10,000 and let them think about it. No client has ever taken very long to decide its not worth it and none have ever taken me up on it, although i'm sure 1 or 2 have asked a different developer to make them an I…
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Large car rental companies are not exactly cutting edge on IT. They tend to have a lot of small locations that's not exactly easy to start upgrading because of the cost of sending people out to do it all. My local branches look like they had their last refurb in the late 90s for example. One example does not a sample make.
It is not just car rental companies. Most of the UK's major banks use IE6 still. This is because most of their intranet apps will only work in IE6, and they have the size to demand that their supplies support IE6 too. Corporate IT policy won't allow browsers apart from IE. If only Microsoft allowed side-by-side installs of IE6 and a IE8 it might be a bit more bearable (given that IE9 is not available on XP)
And this also seems to be the common case when I've done onsite freelancing gigs in non banking (SMB) UK companies over recent times :(
