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Post by mrguyorama »

yucky wrote: post #154
phpisthebest wrote: post #125

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few things impact this 1. Force to sell due to medicare or other end of life expenses (you can not have any assets if you need full time nursing care paid for by medicare) 2. the "Reverse mortgage" people fall for. 3. Baby Boomers, a Single Asset split 5-8 ways does not go far 4. the houses owned really were not that good. My Grandparents owned their home, bought it right after WWII, the house was a small 2 bed 1 bat…

>the houses owned really were not that good. My Grandparents owned their home, bought it right after WWII, the house was a small 2 bed 1 bath they raised 4 kids in... It is still in the family but it is out-dated by modern standards. Young people complain how much more expensive homes are now, and then can't be bothered to accept a starter home.. "I just can't understand why I can't afford this 3,600 sq foot home nea…

How much of a starter home can you really have when the plot of land itself starts at $150k

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

bzbarsky wrote: post #175
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #161

Fertility will improve when there is familial and community support. You don’t need a big house to increase fertility. families need reliable child care and that’s possible with multi generational families. Africa, China and Asia have healthy fertility because they have community and multigenerational family units. Not big homes.

Current TFR in China is around 1.7 according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033738/fertility-rate-c... it _has_ been climbing very slowly recently, but I'm not sure I would characterize that as "healthy". "Asia" is pretty broad, but India was at 2.2 in 2020 and dropping pretty rapidly; as of earlier this spring it hit 2.0. Note that the Statista numbers are moving 5-year averages, so the "spot" number for In…

China had a literal one child policy to combat exponential growth in population. India incentivised small families.

Population grows exponentially and it is also a function of time. I don’t think we should look at it in decades but rather as through lenses that capture time in centuries.

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Post by watwut »

phpisthebest wrote: post #211
hef19898 wrote: post #205

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Examples please where property was split because of that. Child support obviously takes real estate property into account, but the actual ownership? Not sure where this happens, but than I'm no family law expert and there are so many different countries that it actually just might happen.

Just about everyday in the USA. Family courts take stability of the child over all else, so if the child is used to living in the family home who ever the custodial parent is will get possession of the home even if that custodial parent was not the owner of the home before the marriage

This is literally not true and specifically not true when that house was acquired by one partner before marriage.

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Post by watwut »

bombcar wrote: post #77
watwut wrote: post #58

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How did all those whole generations of parents and grandparents lost their houses and who took those houses?

Back then they didn't lose houses, they sold them because they didn't need them anymore, and moved in with kids for eldercare, basically. Houses weren't limited in availability, other things were the limiting factors - and sometimes "move in with" would mean moving in next door or into what were called "mother-in-law" houses.

That is is not what historically happened. Instead, the houses were inherited by kids.

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Post by fleddr »

jstarfish wrote: post #137
fleddr wrote: post #80

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What is striking in this development is the destruction of our social fabric. From African village model to the nuclear family is a massive step, made possible by the nation state. Arguably this impoverishes community/extended family life. The most extreme form can regularly be read in the news: somebody found dead in their home, undetected for weeks or months. But not even that is enough. Even within the scope of th…

While it has its issues, I'm not altogether convinced that the nuclear family is a bad thing. We seem to function best at tribal scale. Jokes aside, most family units are functional. Family scales well. Large-enough families invite dysfunction jokes, but they have a shared genetic interest. You can always coerce or compel family to do things like share resources or settle disputes against their own self-interest. Mor…

I don't think it's a bad thing either. The African village model is sometimes glorified but it has major downsides too. You depend on the village for everything and it tends to be governed like a tiny dictatorship. You might have very little say in huge aspects of your life.

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Post by gspr »

nisegami wrote: post #228
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #220

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Sure, even my GP said people are living way beyond their sell by date, putting huge pressure on the healthcare and social system, but what do you suggest we do? Take pensioners behind the block and pop a cap in their heads like cattle? Back in the days, we used to have a once in a century virus/pandemic/plague that would "thin the heard", but now we got really good at creating effective vaccines and prioritizing dist…

>Take pensioners behind the block and pop a cap in their heads like cattle? For what it's worth, it'd get the job done. But that aside, for starters, we should have let covid-19 run its course. Vaccines, if any, should have been given to the people under 50 first. This would have helped balance things out a lot to begin with. Similarly, I think we should be more willing to turn to palliative care earlier in the case…

I can understand that argument for prioritizing younger people when there's a shortage of vaccines. What I cannot fathom is your reasoning for doing so. Sure, if there's 1 vaccine and 5 people who need it, the sad fact is that some will go without. You seem to view that as a positive thing, though. Terrible attitude towards human life!

Re: Basement Fertility

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Post by fleddr »

mazlix wrote: post #124
fleddr wrote: post #90

On Twitter, Elon Musk has been posting a lot about how people should have more children. I'm mentioning it not because of him, instead because it offers insight into a common misconception. Those threads show thousands and thousands of replies by young people about how they can barely take care of themselves. High cost of living, no access to housing, unaffordable healthcare, etc. What is not intuitive is that this r…

In my annectdotal experience the same people who tout wanting to support and hire from a diverse pool of applicants to not miss the next Einstein, don't extend that logic into the Unborn. I think the way we are likely to solve our greatest issues like climate change through having more smart, well-educated, well-raised, and loved children. So if you're privileged enough to have the capacity to raise such children it'…

I don't buy into this theory. We have plenty of minds currently and are failing to avoid and solve planetary scale issues. My take is that this is an incentive problem, not a lack of cognitive capacity.

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Post by llanowarelves »

Elinvynia wrote: post #178
llanowarelves wrote: post #156

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Why is it racist to care if you're a minority? Current minorities care about it a quite a lot. Not only that -- they see a moral imperative that their particular ethnicities and culture exist. Are some groups "allowed" this, and not others? Of course the term minority/majority is relative to the scope you're talking about, too. The "majority" of Americans are global minorities.

So if I understand correctly, you are afraid of becoming a minority because you don't want to be treated like the current minorities? Mask off moment there.

No. You just dislike reciprocity

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Post by bzbarsky »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #232
bzbarsky wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current TFR in China is around 1.7 according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033738/fertility-rate-c... it _has_ been climbing very slowly recently, but I'm not sure I would characterize that as "healthy". "Asia" is pretty broad, but India was at 2.2 in 2020 and dropping pretty rapidly; as of earlier this spring it hit 2.0. Note that the Statista numbers are moving 5-year averages, so the "spot" number for In…

China had a literal one child policy to combat exponential growth in population. India incentivised small families. Population grows exponentially and it is also a function of time. I don’t think we should look at it in decades but rather as through lenses that capture time in centuries.

> China had a literal one child policy

The operative word being "had". It hasn't had one in a while.

> Population grows exponentially

It really depends. It does if you assume TFR is a constant, but it tends to not be constant.

> I don’t think we should look at it in decades but rather as through lenses that capture time in centuries.

In the "centuries" timeframe, technological change (much reduced infant mortality, availability of contraception, career opportunities, etc) pretty much dominates the TFR situation.

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