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Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who just wants a bank to be a bank. I've been with the same relatively small regional bank for 30 years. I have a checking account, savings account and that's it. They've been stable this entire time, and I've never worried my money was going to disappear. As another sign of being an old man, I'm old enough to remember the phrase "as safe as money in the bank". You see, when I w…

You may feel like your accounts are stable and nothing is disappearing but by CPI inflation calculations ( https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm ), any money you had in that account 30 years ago has lost half its buying power. If you want to keep the money that you have worked for over the long term, your checking and savings account are not going to cut it.

You're saying that the value of your money in real terms is depreciating.

OP is saying the nominal value persists.

With banking, people care about nominal value.

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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Yes, but setting aside direct ownership which is not a prerequisite for investing in any coin, how is bitcoin a better choice? It seems to me that is like saying, well you really should have invested in Exxon and you would be ok now.

Crypto is one of the biggest active victim-blaming communities. "Not your wallet not your coin", or whatever they like saying, is just is just deflection from valid criticism that crypto is very easy to exploit without recourse.

I disagree. To me it's like saying passwords are broken because most people choose "password123". Or like saying dollar bills are bad because they can rip. Safety rails should be made of course, but if you aren't even maintaining basic hygiene within a system then I'm sorry but that's on you.

People are learning to use better passwords, and people learned long ago to keep their paper money in a wallet. The same will happen with crypto.

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tether's market cap dropping without a price drop is indication that they are liquid and able to handle (to date) almost $20 billion in withdrawal over a 1 month period. That is impressive and a sign of their robustness. They are passing a stress test so far. Their blog counters much of the FUD out there: https://tether.to/en/news/

Whats the limit on withdraws before they have liquidity issues? Easiest way to make investors confident is due a full audit with a top 4 auditing firm.

https://tether.to/en/transparency/#reports

They claim 85% cash/cash equivalents, 15% less liquid assets. Cash equivalents is broken down also, 55% is Treasury bonds.

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

#54
post #4

I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who just wants a bank to be a bank. I've been with the same relatively small regional bank for 30 years. I have a checking account, savings account and that's it. They've been stable this entire time, and I've never worried my money was going to disappear. As another sign of being an old man, I'm old enough to remember the phrase "as safe as money in the bank". You see, when I w…

i am not even 40 and got my money robbed from the bank by the government twice. depends where you live, a bank is not that good of a place to keep your savings.

We're definitely going to need details on this.

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

#55
post #4

I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who just wants a bank to be a bank. I've been with the same relatively small regional bank for 30 years. I have a checking account, savings account and that's it. They've been stable this entire time, and I've never worried my money was going to disappear. As another sign of being an old man, I'm old enough to remember the phrase "as safe as money in the bank". You see, when I w…

i am not even 40 and got my money robbed from the bank by the government twice. depends where you live, a bank is not that good of a place to keep your savings.

Could you share a bit more?

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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post #4

I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who just wants a bank to be a bank. I've been with the same relatively small regional bank for 30 years. I have a checking account, savings account and that's it. They've been stable this entire time, and I've never worried my money was going to disappear. As another sign of being an old man, I'm old enough to remember the phrase "as safe as money in the bank". You see, when I w…

You may feel like your accounts are stable and nothing is disappearing but by CPI inflation calculations ( https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm ), any money you had in that account 30 years ago has lost half its buying power. If you want to keep the money that you have worked for over the long term, your checking and savings account are not going to cut it.

Half in 30 years? That’s pretty good! Ethereum fell by that much in a couple weeks. On the way up in a bull market it’s all roses, but in a bear market, these things can crash hard.

Money losing value gradually — Demurrage — makes people actually spend money rather than hoard it. If you want the money to earn interest, you will have to take some risk. Invest in some assets. Usually, stocks or real estate or (finally thanks to the JOBS act) new startups.

I don’t know why people have “fat bank accounts”. Money isn’t meant to be stored. That’s a racket by the banks, along with the idea that you have to buy a home instead of renting. If you can rent and buy other assets that you understand better than real estate, then do that.

This is not magic .. money has to come from somewhere. It usually comes from banks themselves — who lend it to people and businesses who believe that they can pay back MORE money ! The only way everyone can pay back more money than is in existence is if the money supply is increased in the meantime. So inflation happens. The only alternative is having lots of people default and restructure their loans to owe less. This is what Ray Dalio says can be “a beautiful deleveraging”. I don’t buy it…

Learn how it all works:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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Another one? Tether is looking stressed. In the last three months, a lot of Tether has been cashed out. Look at the chart for Market Cap -> Last 3 months.[1] From US$82 billion to US$66 billion. Today, US$200 million was cashed out. Every few days, their market cap drops suddenly. At this rate, in a few months we'll find out how much backing Tether really has, because it is being paid out. Stablecoins have two stable…

Tether's market cap dropping without a price drop is indication that they are liquid and able to handle (to date) almost $20 billion in withdrawal over a 1 month period. That is impressive and a sign of their robustness. They are passing a stress test so far. Their blog counters much of the FUD out there: https://tether.to/en/news/

I think this FT article suggests the blog isn't entirely comprehensive

Tether’s mystery commercial paper exposure - https://on.ft.com/3yzXTua via @FT

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i am not even 40 and got my money robbed from the bank by the government twice. depends where you live, a bank is not that good of a place to keep your savings.

We're definitely going to need details on this.

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> depends where you live

I infer they live somewhere without a stable financial system and/or government.

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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Another one? Tether is looking stressed. In the last three months, a lot of Tether has been cashed out. Look at the chart for Market Cap -> Last 3 months.[1] From US$82 billion to US$66 billion. Today, US$200 million was cashed out. Every few days, their market cap drops suddenly. At this rate, in a few months we'll find out how much backing Tether really has, because it is being paid out. Stablecoins have two stable…

Tether's market cap dropping without a price drop is indication that they are liquid and able to handle (to date) almost $20 billion in withdrawal over a 1 month period. That is impressive and a sign of their robustness. They are passing a stress test so far. Their blog counters much of the FUD out there: https://tether.to/en/news/

Madoff was able to handle withdrawals until one day he wasn't. Only then the Ponzi collapsed.

This is not a very good way to distinguish a fraud from an honest business, especially if you're not the one who already withdrew.

Re: Voyager suspends trading, deposits, withdrawals, and loyalty rewards

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post #4

I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who just wants a bank to be a bank. I've been with the same relatively small regional bank for 30 years. I have a checking account, savings account and that's it. They've been stable this entire time, and I've never worried my money was going to disappear. As another sign of being an old man, I'm old enough to remember the phrase "as safe as money in the bank". You see, when I w…

I invite you to look at the list of failed banks provided by the FDIC:

https://www.fdic.gov/resources/resolutions/bank-failures/fai...

Notice that the vast majority of these are smaller, local or regional banks.

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