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Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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That enormous scoop results in 5% or less profit margins. Compare to tech companies’ profit margins.

So? They're insurance companies. Why should they have high profit margins?

I never wrote they should. I am disputing the notion that they earn huge profits (“enormous scoop”). Which is trivially disproven by looking at their financials.

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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Health insurers in the US have a cap on how much of premiums can go to profits.

Premiums are not the only source of revenue insurers have.

Would you like to provide a positive statement that coincides with this negative one?

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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No, it means that Obamacare is working as written[1]. Insurer profit margins are set to the legally permitted ((medical bills) * 15%) - operating costs. If insurers want to make more money, they can either make medical bills more expensive, or reduce their own operating costs. Reducing the cost of medical bills does not increase the amount of money they make, unless it means they are capturing market share from a com…

It does if it results in them being able to sell policies at lower premiums than their competitors and hence earn more customers. > Will my workplace ever switch their insurer provider of choice? Almost certainly 'no'. Why not? I am an employer and we evaluate the cost of health insurance every year. It is a huge expense, so why would we not shop around?

> It is a huge expense, so why would we not shop around?

Because switching to a different provider can be a huge pain in the ass to your employees, whose multi-year treatments/doctors/etc may suddenly become out of network?

And it's probably not worth doing unless the cost delta is truly staggering?

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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The accusation here isn't that they are skimming a disproportionate amount, it's that they aren't doing their job, which is to put downwards pressure on provider prices.

The fact that there are at least 5 large insurers competing nationwide and all have 5% or less profit margins means there is lots of competition, and if they are not providing the best prices, their customers will go elsewhere. See pharmacy forums as an example for all the pharmacists complaining about how independent pharmacies are so tough to operate due to ever smaller payments from insurance companies for the pas…

I would like to understand better your definition of "competing" because accidental cartels happen all the time in highly regulated and captured markets such as healthcare.

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Anecdote: I recently had my yearly glasses update. Cost was $188 to me + $20 of insurance copay, so the glasses provider charged $208 for the glasses. That's not too bad, so I asked how much it would be to replace/update the lenses on my old frames, entirely at my charge. It would've been $450. Just for the lenses. I passed. I find it scandalous how much they can charge when just before they were perfectly happy to a…

> It's not just the insurers themselves, but the whole system. Burn it all down. Painstakingly, methodically, improve it, taking care at each step that you're making it better. :)

This is exactly how to corner yourself into a local optimum that balances how much people are pissed off, rather than how much people see benefits.

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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This is regulation everybody should be able to get behind. How are these markets supposed to function efficiently with healthy competition if critical information like this is hidden away?

Libertarians ret-conned Adam Smith's definition of "free market" to mean "complete absence of regulation". And they use this appeal to authority (as well as the naturalistic inevitabilism that originates in evo-psych) as a cudgel to push for the permission of exploitative practices. We are becoming more and more aware as a society of the effects of this campaign, which is heartening, but reactionaries stand at arms t…

Those libertarians who have famously been in charge of the United States since it's founding and got the US into the current health care cost mess?

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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Doesn't that just mean that they have an interest in keeping these costs high ? The higher the costs, the larger that % is for the in absolute dollars. If all the costs come down, they are allowed to make less money.

Yes, this is one of the more unfortunate unintended consequences of the ACA.

It may have been unintended but it was defiantly not unknown, I remember people pointing out this exact problem during the debate around ACA.

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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It does if it results in them being able to sell policies at lower premiums than their competitors and hence earn more customers. > Will my workplace ever switch their insurer provider of choice? Almost certainly 'no'. Why not? I am an employer and we evaluate the cost of health insurance every year. It is a huge expense, so why would we not shop around?

> It is a huge expense, so why would we not shop around? Because switching to a different provider can be a huge pain in the ass to your employees, whose multi-year treatments/doctors/etc may suddenly become out of network? And it's probably not worth doing unless the cost delta is truly staggering?

That goes for switching any almost vendor. But it does give insurers an incentive to not runaway with pricing.

Re: How much health insurers pay for almost everything is about to go public

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"Doctors hate this simple trick to reduce ." That's the strange spam message I could never understand. Surely doctors would be delighted at any method to improve health? So I always assumed the "trick" to be quackery with dangerous side effects. After all, why else would "doctors hate it"? Eventually I realised these messages are exclusively US American, the only place on the planet where doctors could plausibly rese…

Not at all. The solution in America is often to medicate, not change your own behavior or diet. If you watch regular television here (with commercials), every other commercial is for some new pill you need to take. When you go to a doctor's office, it's not uncommon to see a "drug rep" roll in a suitcase with samples of new drugs they want doctors to push (which inevitably comes with financial incentives).

Being a doctor is a business just like any other. And just like any other business, some operate ethically while others don't.

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