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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by cush »

Gigachad wrote: post #16
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Just the other day youtube suggested me this cutsie "what to do with old microwaves" video that just had the corporate jingle music over a video of a guy building various things out of microwave transformers without any kind of narration or warning of the danger. Considering people are actually dying trying these microwave tricks, this is no longer a theoretical concern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2UfglFeOH8 (m…

These videos are produced in giant production houses in China. That’s why there’s no voiceovers. They’re designed to be distributed in every language.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by elif »

throwaway9870 wrote: post #62
elif wrote: post #2

It's terrible how little basic electronic safety is practiced in virtually all of these videos. When we handled high amps in university, we had 3 hours of lecture first simply explaining safety precautions and how to handle accidents. Not to mention, the burnt wood looks so gaudy and uninteresting. I would hardly call it fractal as it only goes 2-3 levels usually, and artistically doesn't usually make sense on furnit…

It probably should have been more than 3 hours given that you likely mean "voltage" not "amps". Before everyone jumps on me, "it is the amps that kill you, not voltage", I understand electricity quite well and in this context, saying something like "handling high amps in a university" is almost certainly not what was taught.

I'm glad you assumed a very limited scope of danger being direct electrocution death because in my class I learned there are many compound forms of electrical accident. To quote NEC textbook:

"Even low-voltage installers can still experience unsettling shocks, especially if they are working in an unsafe environment, such as if they are ungrounded or standing on a wet spot,” Johnston said. “While it’s unlikely that such shocks will cause serious injury by themselves, they certainly could literally knock someone off balance, which could be a real safety risk if an installer were standing on a ladder.

“In addition, an arc in a low-voltage system has the same potential for igniting explosive materials as one in a 120-plus-volt system. Chapter 5 of the NEC provides rules for installing electrical wiring of any voltage in a hazardous (classified) location, specifically those locations with high concentrations of flammable or combustible liquids, flammable or combustible vapors, conductive and combustible dusts, and so forth.”

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by cwkoss »

addicted wrote: post #23

Wait, why did YT remove Ann’s video? She doesn’t show how it’s done. She just shows, through drawings, how dangerous it is. WTF Yiutube.

youtube effectively has abandoned moderation policy, and just has automated report-driven systems.

I bet the video was removed because fractal woodburners with delusions of safety felt angry for being called out, and reported it.

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Post by stormbrew »

mmcdermott wrote: post #242
SECProto wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would note the parent comment appeared to have been talking about an open faced sandwich, i.e. cheese topping on a slice of toast. Even if I'm incorrect and a closed grilled cheese sandwich was the culprit, a toaster oven would still be a better suggestion in my opinion!

A toaster oven, or even a conventional oven with a broiler setting.

Using a real oven for this is kind of a massive waste of energy. I got a smallish countertop convection oven and it's basically replaced nearly all uses I previously had for a small toaster oven and our proper mounted oven that takes 8 million years to preheat, along with a good chunk of microwave uses. The big one only gets used for really big stuff now, maybe once every few months at most.

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Post by OneLeggedCat »

logifail wrote: post #21
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

About ten years ago, I bought one of those small countertop toaster ovens that is roughly big enough for four pieces of bread to lie flat in it. It became the best $100 I've ever spent. We cook everything small enough to fit in it, including toast with cheese :) . We've since only used our regular full-size oven maybe half as often, because this small countertop one is so much faster and more convenient

No need for an actual toaster, although this one takes a minute or two longer. As an added bonus, my mother-in-law hates waiting that extra minute or two, so that's a big win in my book.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by elif »

throwaway9870 wrote: post #62
elif wrote: post #2

It's terrible how little basic electronic safety is practiced in virtually all of these videos. When we handled high amps in university, we had 3 hours of lecture first simply explaining safety precautions and how to handle accidents. Not to mention, the burnt wood looks so gaudy and uninteresting. I would hardly call it fractal as it only goes 2-3 levels usually, and artistically doesn't usually make sense on furnit…

It probably should have been more than 3 hours given that you likely mean "voltage" not "amps". Before everyone jumps on me, "it is the amps that kill you, not voltage", I understand electricity quite well and in this context, saying something like "handling high amps in a university" is almost certainly not what was taught.

It's also possible for low voltage shocks to cause your hand muscles to seize the hazard and be unable to release it.

In fact, my TENS unit, specifically designed to cause muscle contraction, runs on 9V.

Edit: ah... I see a throwaway account was used, so you will never have to confront your mistake. I wish these were banned.

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Post by jandrese »

drewzero1 wrote: post #478
jandrese wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conventional toasters are so cheap it makes no sense to try to repair them. Plus they aren't built to be repaired at all. When my last one died I tried taking it apart to see what went wrong (element burned through as it turned out) and see if I could fix it, but the whole mechanism was basically as single piece put together with spot welds and rivets, and with part markup being at least 2x or 3x initial cost there w…

If it cost only 4 times as much I'd probably consider it, but 10+ is just a really hard sell unfortunately. I had to scrap a perfectly good toaster because I couldn't find a replacement for a cracked plastic part that is supposed to make or break contact in a switch and engage the electromagnet. It would still toast fine if you held down the lever, and it pained me to toss it, but I couldn't source or fabricate a saf…

Replacing tiny broken plastic parts is the main reason I now own a 3D printer. Granted, a toaster is one of those places where the relatively low melting point of PLA or PETG might be an issue, but it is still very useful to be able to fabricate replacement parts that are otherwise impossible to find.

Even better is how I can redesign the replacement part so it doesn't fail in the same way next time.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by elif »

throwaway9870 wrote: post #62
elif wrote: post #2

It's terrible how little basic electronic safety is practiced in virtually all of these videos. When we handled high amps in university, we had 3 hours of lecture first simply explaining safety precautions and how to handle accidents. Not to mention, the burnt wood looks so gaudy and uninteresting. I would hardly call it fractal as it only goes 2-3 levels usually, and artistically doesn't usually make sense on furnit…

It probably should have been more than 3 hours given that you likely mean "voltage" not "amps". Before everyone jumps on me, "it is the amps that kill you, not voltage", I understand electricity quite well and in this context, saying something like "handling high amps in a university" is almost certainly not what was taught.

Lastly, I would encourage you to consider tasers, which deliberately deploy (nonlethally) upwards of 20K volts for multiple seconds.

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Post by b112 »

laurencerowe wrote: post #499
b112 wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're engineered for home use, that's why they are sold at home depot, on amazon, and in retail outlets. Restaurants buy proper commercial gear, from hospitality supply depots. You don't buy restaurant ovens, and gear, from amazon or home depot. A strong tell is, restaurants aren't looking for candy red, enamel coated stuff. They want stainless, and their gear is hidden away in the kitchen, and they don't want to p…

Maybe not for 400 slices an hour but Dualit toasters are stainless and pretty standard issue at cafes and bed and breakfasts in the UK.

They may have a commercial line, but that's not what you get on Amazon, or Home Depot, with its 15 candy colors and consumer facing build.

If cafes are buying a toaster at home depot, they're doing it wrong. Most retail equipment even specifies warranty is void for commercial use.

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Post by daemin »

b3morales wrote: post #404
daemin wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For entertainment only" is such a cop-out, do whatever dangerous thing and show step by step instructions but then slap on a "for entertainment only" on it so you're safe from legal repecussions.

> you're safe from legal repecussions. Not necessarily: no way to tell whether it's sufficient until it actually goes before a court.

I was being sarcastic with that, should have written it as: you're "safe" from legal repercussions.
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