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The problem is not people being tricked, but vegan food simply needs proper names. "Vegan steak" is not meat, so what it? What is vegan cheese? Could be anything. It's not very descriptive. When you see seitan or tofu, you know what you're getting.
is a beef steak tomato a beef+steak+tomato or just a type of tomato? this isn't hard folks...
Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink,…
It's not the complete opposite, a sausage refers to the shape, not that it contains meat, we simply need to learn to adopt what these words mean and they are about the type of the product not that it contains meat. For example you get beef and pork sausages, this refers to the type of sausage you are getting, what is the difference with vegan sausage? Everyone knows what that is, calling it a different name makes it…
The shape is "link" or "links" so I think synthetic plant-based links is fine. If it's in bulk synthetic plant-based crumble.
Calling the synthetic food the same as a natural food, is more confusing. I don't know what's what.
Make up a new word and run with it. But at least, at least don't play around with things like chik'n sausage or porki sausage. At least be honest and say plant sausage.
In the US, the dairy industry tried this and thankfully lost (in California): The Animal Legal Defense Fund represented Miyoko’s Kitchen in its challenge of unconstitutional restrictions placed on plant-based dairy products’ marketing and labeling Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She…
To be clear, the false assumptions are that her product is cheese, when it's not, and that it tastes, smells or feels like cheese, when it doesn't.
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It's not the complete opposite, a sausage refers to the shape, not that it contains meat, we simply need to learn to adopt what these words mean and they are about the type of the product not that it contains meat. For example you get beef and pork sausages, this refers to the type of sausage you are getting, what is the difference with vegan sausage? Everyone knows what that is, calling it a different name makes it…
Sausage refers to it being "salted", i.e. seasoned. I can buy bulk pig sausage that is not in a casing. The shape is "link" or "links" so I think synthetic plant-based links is fine. If it's in bulk synthetic plant-based crumble. Calling the synthetic food the same as a natural food, is more confusing. I don't know what's what. Make up a new word and run with it. But at least, at least don't play around with things l…
Language is a function to allow us to understand things and communicate, it evolves as the world evolves and these words are the best words we have to describe these vegan and veggie products as long as the word 'vegan' or vegetarian is used along with them.
The word 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' in front of the word is a modifier that allows you to understand what it is, how can you not know what a vegan sausage is? You think it's still meat?
A vegan can easily understand what it is and so can a meat eater, calling it anything else just becomes confusing, maybe that is the problem, you are not a veggie or vegan so you don't care if they are confused, but because your too set in your ways to be okay with a modifier that clearly shows what the product is you are upset. Things change and veggie sausage is a term used for many many years, I don't know what is confusing or wrong about it.
Everybody knows what type of food a vegetarian burger is, but what about a veggie disc? it's just confusing, we don't need to invent new words here, we just have to adopt what we already have.
In the US, the dairy industry tried this and thankfully lost (in California): The Animal Legal Defense Fund represented Miyoko’s Kitchen in its challenge of unconstitutional restrictions placed on plant-based dairy products’ marketing and labeling Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She…
That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.
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Sausage refers to it being "salted", i.e. seasoned. I can buy bulk pig sausage that is not in a casing. The shape is "link" or "links" so I think synthetic plant-based links is fine. If it's in bulk synthetic plant-based crumble. Calling the synthetic food the same as a natural food, is more confusing. I don't know what's what. Make up a new word and run with it. But at least, at least don't play around with things l…
What about sausage dogs? are they salted? We use the word 'sausage' in that case to refer to it's shape. Language is a function to allow us to understand things and communicate, it evolves as the world evolves and these words are the best words we have to describe these vegan and veggie products as long as the word 'vegan' or vegetarian is used along with them. The word 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' in front of the word is…
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So then we should be able to use the term "real vegan cheese", but not an unqualified "vegan cheese".
I think “real” is a bit of a problem there because if vegan cheese is real it means it’s really vegan. I think the analog you’re looking for would be “fake vegan cheese”, or to make it less double-negativey we could just say “dairy cheese” which would be a perfectly understandable modifier on cheese just like how “vegan cheese” is a perfectly understandable modifier. If vegan cheese is a problem i’d like to hear your…
"Real vegan cheese" should not be a problem as long as you're selling a real product. The problems would begin if you were selling real cheese as "Really vegan cheese".
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Do you genuinely not see a problem with people being deceived about what they are buying and eating?
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...no, in this case you are absolutely shopping wrong. Pay attention to the labels.
If it says, "milk" or "cheese" or "beef" I absolutely should not have to read the label. These things were made by farmers thousands of years ago, and have fairly simple "recipes". If you want to sell some vegetables or vegetable oil to vegans, I would have thought that vegans would go for it without the unappetizing association with dead, smelly, greasy animal carcasses. Why does vegan food have to resemble the thin…