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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by smegsicle »

tehwebguy wrote: post #125
honkdaddy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just looked into it.. Ugh, this kind of content is just abysmal. 25 GLUE GUN HACKS YOU HAVE TO TRY 24 SIMPLE BEAUTY TRICKS TO MAKE YOU LOOK FABULOUS https://www.youtube.com/c/5MinuteCraftsYouTube/ Who are the people watching this stuff? I assume it's largely women and parents, as a lot of the "hacks" are beauty or parenting related. I watched a few minutes and all the ideas were just... terrible? Ranging from silly…

Plenty of people hate this shit and still watch it because they got tricked. I watched (skimmed) like 12 videos yesterday trying to find a hack to locate my empty AirPods case. There’s apparently no way to do it but each video had a more infuriatingly false title than the last.

they really invited that sort of thing by tossing the dislike count

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

JCharante wrote: post #61
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #35

Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it. If we humans did review every single minute of video, the subjective element of moderation would still lead to headlines like this where someone could identify instances of inconsistencies. Given that she re-uploaded th…

How hard is it to use manual review for videos that have at least a million views?

What makes you think they don't use manual review for highly-viewed videos?

The video in question wouldn't have triggered that manual review threshold because it's not even close to a million views. I would actually assume that highly-viewed videos are moved up much higher in the manual review priority queue, as it only makes sense.

The controversies like the one in the article are generally among moderately popular channels with 10K - 100K views, not in the millions.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Mindwipe »

Beltalowda wrote: post #106
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #48

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> We need things to change here. We need Google to moderate their services properly, Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually. What are people willing to give up in exchange for a human-moderated version of YouTube? Would we be okay if they charged a $3 “moderation fee” on every upload to cover the cost of…

No one expects things to be perfect or that there will be no mistakes, but there's a whole lot of space between "perfect" and "braindead stupid". The worst part isn't so much that mistakes get made, but the way those mistakes are dealt with, which is often a frustrating and silly experience.

> No one expects things to be perfect or that there will be no mistakes, but there's a whole lot of space between "perfect" and "braindead stupid".

There is but I am not terribly convinced the difference is employing a badly paid human.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by jeffbee »

jeffbee wrote: post #134
Gigachad wrote: post #16

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Just the other day youtube suggested me this cutsie "what to do with old microwaves" video that just had the corporate jingle music over a video of a guy building various things out of microwave transformers without any kind of narration or warning of the danger. Considering people are actually dying trying these microwave tricks, this is no longer a theoretical concern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2UfglFeOH8 (m…

Salad is pretty dangerous and I don't see anyone putting disclaimers on cooking shows.

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Post by xxs »

raldi wrote: post #109
throwaway9870 wrote: post #62

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It probably should have been more than 3 hours given that you likely mean "voltage" not "amps". Before everyone jumps on me, "it is the amps that kill you, not voltage", I understand electricity quite well and in this context, saying something like "handling high amps in a university" is almost certainly not what was taught.

Rather than admonishing everyone for wondering the obvious question, why not just explain your reasoning?

It's the Ohm's law: V=IR. Amps (I) kill you but your body has rather high resistance, at least kilohms (even when wet), and it depends on the voltage partly. So low voltage even with high amps current do nothing to you.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by vibrolax »

sebastianconcpt wrote: post #133
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Wait until youtube recommends you to click on "How to start a fission reactor in your garage".

The first man-made fission reactor was built in a squash court.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mikestew »

guggleet wrote: post #118
TrackerFF wrote: post #59

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Seems like their DIY / craft vids have moved from glue guns to angle grinders and (tack) welding lately. Anyone with even the smallest amount experience with either, know that these things are accidents bound to happen.

Dunno, I have used both since I was like 13. Also, we used to weld and do all sorts of things (acetylene torching, lathe, casting, grinding, sawing, milling) mostly unsupervised with very little instruction in middle/high school metal shop. I don't remember any accidents.

Hello, Mr. or Ms. Survivor Bias! I used to cut firewood with my father using a 3 foot buzz saw made over 100 years ago*, and had but only the most token of safety guards (ignore the giant power take-off belt that's just waiting to consume some of your loose clothing, and you with it), yet I still have all limbs, fingers, and toes!

And yet I still think it asinine to shrug shoulders and say, "I dunno, nobody I know ever got hurt, yuk, yuk, yuk." If one cannot see the potential for harm in such scenarios, you are one of those accidents waiting to happen.

*yes, really

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by bell-cot »

mberning wrote: post #63

They can auto generate warning messages on every video even tangentially referencing the c-word for 2 years, but they let this kind of thing slide for years and years.

Ignoring the politics & posturing, my impression is that the number of people dead due to stupidity about COVID-19 is a few orders of magnitude larger than the number of people dead due to this sort of video.

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #35

Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it. If we humans did review every single minute of video, the subjective element of moderation would still lead to headlines like this where someone could identify instances of inconsistencies. Given that she re-uploaded th…

> YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it.

Micro moderation might not be possible, but meta moderation certainly is. If a story such as the fractal burning has made the news that means it has passed through plenty of human brains along the way. That sort of thing should be noticed by meta moderation. This reminds me of the YouTuber who uploaded 2 Million Videos over the course of years and was not shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olkb7fYSyiI

The only way for that not to be dealt with is by gross negligence.

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Post by c22 »

cupofpython wrote: post #98
rtkwe wrote: post #51

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That's a super wasteful solution to this. The toaster is perfectly salvageable.

So drop it off at a salvage location. OP was complaining about salvaging it, like it was necessary. If you want to do is as a fun personal project, go for it, but it is wasteful of human time to salvage something that cheap rather than add it to a scrap pile for a professional salvage company to process in bulk. As a bonus, the kid learns that if you arent careful with your items they may break and be gone. you dont…

It's only monetarily cheap because it's been built, like most modern things, with a massive externalization of its waste-cost.
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