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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by yuuu » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:49 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #185

yuuu wrote: post #158

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I live in a state where marijuana is legal and recently tried it again for the first time in over a decade. I strolled into a recreational store and asked for a recommendation, specifically requesting a flower with a low THC concentration. They ended up giving me something ("Biker Kush") that had 28% THC, which I had only noticed on the packaging after I left the store. Gee, thanks. Anyway, then I bought supplies to…

That's pretty unfortunate, sorry that happened. I smoke flower relatively often (far less than many), twice a week for the last 3 years (date nights with my wife) and have never experienced anything like that. I have on occasion gotten into a negative thought spiral where I start to obsess on some of my perceived poor choices in life but those generally last less than 20 minutes. Generally I start to worry that I don…

Thank you for the suggestions! If I do try again, I will definitely try a flower with the lowest THC concentration available. I certainly don't want to go above 15% after the recent experience. I was reading that THC concentrations in the sixties were around 3%, but I can't find any products at my local dispensary with concentrations less than 14% (!). I'm also considering dividing edibles into very small proportions and gradually increasing the dose each week until I feel something.

It just seems like a surprisingly tricky thing for me to figure out. Another recurring thought I had during the experience is that most people don't feel this way after smoking and that there must be something wrong with me. Maybe that's true, I don't know.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by treis » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #217

treis wrote: post #206

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The difference between Indica and Sativa is to a large extent imagined. Even if it's not most of the strains you buy today are hybrids.

>The difference between Indica and Sativa is to a large extent imagined. Can you elaborate? This is very contrary to my experience. . . . NM I looked it up and see what you're referring to. I'll have to look into it more, because, again, it doesn't sync with my experience. >Even if it's not most of the strains you buy today are hybrids. I've never had an ounce of difficulty finding Indicas or Sativas at dispensaries.…

https://www.insider.com/why-theres-no-difference-between-ind...

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by dmix » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:51 PM UTC

cheschire wrote: post #103

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While I'm not proposing "doing nothing" about this problem, how much of this is likely to be a "hangover" from prohibition. Based on absolutely no data whatsoever, my instinct would be that demand for high-THC/low-CBD products would decrease as access to cannabis becomes less novel.

I suspect there's some truth here. Like how not everyone goes for the 80+ proof drinks, many just go for drinks that are 5% ABV or less.

Same with nicotine vape pens, 35-50mg salt ones have a comparable dosage to cigarettes (and are pretty gross) but it's easy to slowly move down to 5mg.

This was impossible before with just cigarettes [1], which only had a 'lite' option which I doubt had any less nicotine. The only option was to quit. Weening off via 5mg is way easier.

[1] Besides maybe the nicotine gum which is even grosser

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by grasshopperpurp » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:52 PM UTC

treis wrote: post #222

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #217

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>The difference between Indica and Sativa is to a large extent imagined. Can you elaborate? This is very contrary to my experience. . . . NM I looked it up and see what you're referring to. I'll have to look into it more, because, again, it doesn't sync with my experience. >Even if it's not most of the strains you buy today are hybrids. I've never had an ounce of difficulty finding Indicas or Sativas at dispensaries.…

https://www.insider.com/why-theres-no-difference-between-ind...

Just finished reading that article. Interesting. Will look further. Ty.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by yrgulation » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

LeonidasXIV wrote: post #171

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So just because it is complex it won't get done? That sounds rather defeatist to me.

The entire german government is terminally defeatist. They've been dragging their feet on digitalization for so long, they've been dragging their feet on accessible internet for so long they've been dragging their feet on transport infrastructure, they've been dragging their feet basically everything for ages. You go to Eastern Europe and wonder how things seem to be progressing much faster there.

> You go to Eastern Europe and wonder how things seem to be progressing much faster there.

Is there a kind of fetish among germans to demonise east europe? Perhaps the recovery process after 45 years of communism is slow and takes time. And perhaps east europeans arent as inferior are a certain german ideology claims they are? Anyway pathetic analogy.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by humbleMouse » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by dmix » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

NoGravitas wrote: post #172

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In that case, that would reinforce my instinct. There's certainly a recent cocktail boom, and there was a brief trend of straight vodka being popular with girls my age when I was in college, but these are passing market phases, not something systemic in the industry. By-and-large ~5% beers and ~12% wines are the popular choice today.

It seems like the biggest growth in the industry is in hard seltzers/alcopops, which range from 4-12%, but mostly on the lower end. So it does seem like in general there's a preference for strengths in a range of beer - craft beer - wine.

Probably one of the best trends towards weight loss in the general public. Beer is often an underrated contributor to weight gain with all of the social aspects.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by moonchrome » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

aikah wrote: post #199

It's crazy we are still having these kind of debates in Europe. 20 years ago most youth around 18/20 thought Cannabis would have already been legalised by now, I don't believe one second that any of the European elected official under 50 never smoked pot. The only possible explanation I see is heavy lobbying from big pharma groups or wine interests.

>The only possible explanation I see is heavy lobbying from big pharma groups or wine interests.

What about church ? Last time I checked church was very much against this, and is a far larger political influence than those you mentioned. I could be wrong - but in my peer group the first people I would see vote against weed would be the religious.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by yuuu » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:59 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #208

yuuu wrote: post #158

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I live in a state where marijuana is legal and recently tried it again for the first time in over a decade. I strolled into a recreational store and asked for a recommendation, specifically requesting a flower with a low THC concentration. They ended up giving me something ("Biker Kush") that had 28% THC, which I had only noticed on the packaging after I left the store. Gee, thanks. Anyway, then I bought supplies to…

Why not try to buy some low potency stuff elsewhere? Joint are not good for dosing, since content is not spread evenly. I would recommend pipe for just weed. Or vape oil if you can get hold of it and take just a small hit. Edible effects depends on your stomach so that's not the best for dosing neither. 20-30 mins between hits is too much, if you don't feel anything after 5, max 10 minutes it won't come. You describe…

I'm not even sure where I can buy low-potency stuff. Looking online, the lowest at the dispensary where I bought the first thing is around 14%. Sixties THC concentrations were reported to be around 3%. What I'd really like to do is to try 1%, increase to 2%, etc., until I find something that works for me.

Yeah, I know thirty minutes is too long between hits, but I was trying to be as conservative as possible about it. That's why I'm kind of upset that, even being as careful as I was, I still ended up freaking out.

I can't think of anyone I'd feel comfortable smoking with. My wife was sober the entire time, thankfully, and helped a lot. She tried to guide me out of the negativity, but I ended up just feeling like I was too afraid to tell her she wasn't really helping. I did read about the sugar thing beforehand, but in the moment, eating was the last thing I was thinking about. A glass of juice might have helped, in hindsight.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by _fat_santa » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

aikah wrote: post #199

It's crazy we are still having these kind of debates in Europe. 20 years ago most youth around 18/20 thought Cannabis would have already been legalised by now, I don't believe one second that any of the European elected official under 50 never smoked pot. The only possible explanation I see is heavy lobbying from big pharma groups or wine interests.

> or wine interests.

As an American, we are well familiar with Big Pharma but the wine lobby? Is that really a thing in Europe? How influential are they around these kinds of policy?

Edit: Sorry for the barrage of questions, you've really piqued my interest.