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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #23
hans1729 wrote: post #12

Wording: Germany will not legalise Cannabis. Maybe it will be decriminalized, but there is basically no chance of legalisation (too complex/expensive of a process). I have no reason to trust the SPD that they will deliver on this, they are the infamous poster child for betrayal. They are the kind of party that would sell their entire voting base if it served the acting politicians individual careers. If they will do…

Agreed on the idiocy of the SPD ("wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten")... but this time, the Justice Ministry belongs to the FDP. They have alienated an awful lot of voters with their effective denial of reasonable covid measures, they'd be completely done for if they would not manage to get cannabis legal-ish enough that people can buy cannabis products in stores and smoke on the streets without fearing arrest.…

> They have alienated an awful lot of voters with their effective denial of reasonable covid measures

they also won a number of sympathizers ... and "reasonable measures" - what a funny moment to write that nonsense.

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Post by gwbas1c »

Storm-Bringer wrote: post #129

Can it be enjoyed by some ways other than smoking? Not trying to troll here, its smell honestly makes me want to vomit.

2nd to edibles. As soon as I had legal access to edibles, I switched to edibles almost 100% exclusively.

It's much easier to just pop a candy in my mouth than to pack up a bong or vape. (And there's no smell to deal with, which is useful with children around.)

The dosage control is significantly easier than smoking. Where I live, the amounts of psychoactive chemicals per dose are printed on the packaging.

Just make sure you start with one (or a half) dose, and wait 2-3 hours before you take any more.

Also, if you want a "smoking" experience, without the smoke, vaping does come close. FYI: With vaping it's super-easy to get an overwhelming dose, so be careful.

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Post by ssfhsfhdjs »

snarfy wrote: post #109
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

When I lived in Arizona before it was legal, the vast majority of weed came from Mexico. A quarter pound cost $200 and was a mix of male and female plants, full of seeds, grown in fields. I was a daily user for about 20 years. I moved to coastal state where it was legal. Now it's all hydroponically grown, all female and all seedless. I was a daily user for about 12 years and had to completely stop using it. It would…

I'm struggling with this now. Daily cannabis user for 15 year or so, started puking not long after I'd switched primarily to concentrates. I've landed in the ER several times, and been hospitalized a handful of times for dehydration. Usually once an episode starts, a cocktail of ativan, reglan, and pepcid is about the only thing that'll get me out of it.

I've tried to quit cannabis several times now, but usually break down after a week or so when the night sweats and nightmares set in. I've been able to mostly get things under control by avoiding all concentrates and daily doses of nortryptiline and protonix, but quitting entirely is turning out to be really hard for me.

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Post by treis »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #191
kennyadam wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strongly agree. As the THC percentage has increased, so has my anxiety when I smoke it. If I go out of my way to find lower quality weed, I enjoy it much more.

Anecdote: I've never seen someone suffer anxiety from an Indica strain, but I have seen plenty of bad trips from Sativa strains. Medical is legal where I live, and I like both (and hybrids) depending on what I'm doing. In the evening, I would stick to Indicas and Indica-dominant hybrids. Since I work, and I never use while working, I use Sativas far less, but I like them for weekends - walks, chores, etc.. It's a bri…

The difference between Indica and Sativa is to a large extent imagined. Even if it's not most of the strains you buy today are hybrids.

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Post by samatman »

OscarDC wrote: post #167
opabinia wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we criminalize chocolate bars and hamburgers as well then?

The answer to the concern of potential health issue of cannabis legalization is almost always "what about [this other bad product with some common effects], should we forbid it too?" This argument always sounds like a fallacy to me, as we're talking about legalizing something that was previously not, not the other way around. I get that the argument might be seen as relativizing by providing examples of legal substan…

The fallacy is presuming, wrongly, that the legal status of a substance has any bearing on whether it should be legal.

It's called assuming the consequent.

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Post by saiya-jin »

yuuu wrote: post #158
kennyadam wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strongly agree. As the THC percentage has increased, so has my anxiety when I smoke it. If I go out of my way to find lower quality weed, I enjoy it much more.

I live in a state where marijuana is legal and recently tried it again for the first time in over a decade. I strolled into a recreational store and asked for a recommendation, specifically requesting a flower with a low THC concentration. They ended up giving me something ("Biker Kush") that had 28% THC, which I had only noticed on the packaging after I left the store. Gee, thanks. Anyway, then I bought supplies to…

Why not try to buy some low potency stuff elsewhere? Joint are not good for dosing, since content is not spread evenly. I would recommend pipe for just weed. Or vape oil if you can get hold of it and take just a small hit. Edible effects depends on your stomach so that's not the best for dosing neither.

20-30 mins between hits is too much, if you don't feel anything after 5, max 10 minutes it won't come. You describe it like that, so it contradicts 25 years of my experience though...

It may be true that weed won't be the best for you, depends. I had this experience with few people, it was all just in their head, too much anxiety and fear but that's enough to ruin any trip, anytime. But I would give it another (different) chance before you give up on it completely.

If you have friend who is doing it and you feel comfortable around them, try it with him/her. They can 'guide' you and calm you down if required. Remember, sugar will take trip down if needed (plus it tastes amazing when high). Or most junk food like hamburgers, pizza etc., also an experience above any Michelin * restaurant when sober.

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Post by krylon »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

If you legalize it, you can regulate the THC content by legalizing only weed with a maximum THC concentration, and/or by taxing it based on THC levels.

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Post by ketzu »

aikah wrote: post #199

It's crazy we are still having these kind of debates in Europe. 20 years ago most youth around 18/20 thought Cannabis would have already been legalised by now, I don't believe one second that any of the European elected official under 50 never smoked pot. The only possible explanation I see is heavy lobbying from big pharma groups or wine interests.

> I don't believe one second that any of the European elected official under 50 never smoked pot.

To be honest, just the very first statistics I could find on the topic, I didn't put any effort in looking it up at all: https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/753/e... says the following

> In the 2012 EMCDDA Annual report, it is conservatively estimated that cannabis has been used at least once (lifetime prevalence) by around 80.5 million Europeans: almost one in four of all 15- to 64-year-olds.

This matches my personal experience (currently mid 30s in Germany) a lot closer, unless politicans are vastly more likely to smoke pot (or pot smokers vastly more likely to go into politics) I have a hard time imagining your estimate is even close to true.

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