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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by tluyben2 »

tommit wrote: post #187
HermanMartinus wrote: post #182

The purpose of the names of these products being "steak", "sausage", etc isn't to trick meat eaters into eating something they don't want to. It's to illustrate what they are. Let's take a vegan burger patty for example. What's a better illustration of what is in the packet? "Vegan burger patty" or "Flat concoction of soy and other ingredients". It illustrates use.

The people arguing in this thread about how they "were tricked into buying something vegan, yuck!" are not arguing in good faith IMO. They are so adamant in their diet and (I'm guessing) feel threatened by the change in recent years. Being vegan isn't really an outlier that everyone makes fun of anymore. I used to do the same a few years back, until the gradual realization came that this is the direction we're clearl…

> The people arguing in this thread about how they "were tricked into buying something vegan, yuck!" are not arguing in good faith IMO.

It is mostly the same few people who jump on meat threads here to push their views.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by tommit »

yessirwhatever wrote: post #79
paulette449 wrote: post #77

Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. It won't be long before we have to use some Johnny Dangerously-style [1] codes to order a veggie burger, the farging bastidges. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk

> Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. How so? I think it's a very good idea to not allow product marketing to (ab)use terms to confuse people. If people want to eat meat that's their business. This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. It's just a straight up incorrect.

Wait until this guy finds out about coconut milk.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by iRomain »

tpmx wrote: post #13

It's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch se" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024... ) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003... ) "Parveggio - grated" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_lar…

So in French it could be:

Steak végétal => Steakal or Stékal

Saucisse végétale => Saucissal or Saucissal

Done

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by tommit »

Nursie wrote: post #150

I'm personally good with "Chicken Style Vegetarian/Vegan Nuggets", "Chicken Style Schnitzels", "Vegetarian Steak", Plant-based burgers, made-with-plants "bacon" and all that. I'm really very surprised at the number of people who seem offended by it. The products are made as substitutes for those specific things, some of them are very good, others not so much. Bacon, for instance, already does not have to come from a…

I've written this somewhere else, but I entirely agree. I think many people are starting to notice that this vegan lifestyle they made fun of for the past years isn't going away, or even just restricted to your friendly neighborhood hippie.

It's getting far more popular, and people are scared that they may have to face the fact that their breakfast sausage is in danger.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by Ekaros »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #166
kcplate wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have a strong opinion either way, I don’t eat plant based “meat” mainly because it’s over processed and tends to be higher in carbs than I prefer in my diet. But your comment reminds me of philosophical question. If a company created a plant based meat analog that cooked, looked, and tasted just like human meat…should someone eat it? I don’t pose this to make fun of vegans or the plant based meat industry. I…

I’d eat fake human meat, why not?

I go further. I would even eat provably humanely produced and safe human meat. Unlikely we will get there due to how complicated the safe part is. But still, I don't see it anyway different from other mammal meats.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by sofixa »

Nursie wrote: post #35
xdennis wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

Nobody's trying to confuse anyone though, they're trying to provide alternatives. "Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it. (edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!)

> "Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it.

In France various types of sausage are with protected names and origins ( e.g. Toulouse, Montbéliard, etc.), so usually sausage is a very precise term and you know what you're getting.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by joaonmatos »

inportb wrote: post #133
autarch wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been vegan for c. 27 years and I like these products. I grew up eating meat and dairy, and I still like the flavor and mouth feel, but I hate the cruelty.

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I suppose you think animals exist out of thin air, as opposed to the reality of their needing more plant-based calories, for the calories they provide you, than what you’d need if you cut out the middleman.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by McBeige »

sarsway wrote: post #115
tjr225 wrote: post #60

If you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.

The problem is not people being tricked, but vegan food simply needs proper names. "Vegan steak" is not meat, so what it? What is vegan cheese? Could be anything. It's not very descriptive. When you see seitan or tofu, you know what you're getting.

Cheese is not about dairy or fermentation, it's about that funky cheesy flavour and texture. It's about fulfilling a certain role in our culinary tradition.
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