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If you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.
The problem is not people being tricked, but vegan food simply needs proper names. "Vegan steak" is not meat, so what it? What is vegan cheese? Could be anything. It's not very descriptive. When you see seitan or tofu, you know what you're getting.
Let's take a vegan burger patty for example. What's a better illustration of what is in the packet? "Vegan burger patty" or "Flat concoction of soy and other ingredients". It illustrates use.
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You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.
Nobody's trying to confuse anyone though, they're trying to provide alternatives. "Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it. (edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!)
I get why this is controversial, but keep in mind that a lot of countries do that. English is the outlier here, and that's because it's not being threatened the same way other national languages are.
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What sucks is I think the clones are terrible introductions to vegetarian food compared to the real deals. Screw a fake chicken nugget and ketchup, give people a falafel ball and yogurt sauce. The best vegetarian food there is makes no attempt to be fake meat, it stands on its own.
If you’re using chicken nuggets as the example you’re way off. Every vegetarian and vegan swears by Morning Star buffalo nuggets and the Gardein Ultimate Nuggets are better than chicken. You’re right about a lot of veggie substitutes but nuggets are one of the cases where it is just as good.
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Who the fuck is buying vegan meat and being like "oh I thought this was meat"? Do we seriously need to legislate that? There's no real victim here, it's just a bunch of people who are sour or feel threatened by meat alternatives. It's ridiculous.
I would love to start product line "Beyond Vegan" with tag line of "better than vegan food" with Vegan word being very big. And then have it contain lot of meat. Entirely honest and not in any way misleading marketing. And no vegan should be able to complain.
The viciousness in your comment makes it clear though, that it does affect you quite a bit.
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I would love to start product line "Beyond Vegan" with tag line of "better than vegan food" with Vegan word being very big. And then have it contain lot of meat. Entirely honest and not in any way misleading marketing. And no vegan should be able to complain.
I think this is misleading in the effect is has. Omnivores still eat non-meat products, but the inverse isn't true and is in-fact pretty fucked up (if the person being deceived believes that eating beef is akin to eating dogs). I agree that products shouldn't be deceptive, but this is a false dichotomy. More accurately the example should be "Beef Burger", then have it written in small "(dog meat)" as (at least in the…
Same does not apply to companies that try to mislead people by calling something not meat meat or cheese or so on.
The purpose of the names of these products being "steak", "sausage", etc isn't to trick meat eaters into eating something they don't want to. It's to illustrate what they are. Let's take a vegan burger patty for example. What's a better illustration of what is in the packet? "Vegan burger patty" or "Flat concoction of soy and other ingredients". It illustrates use.
I used to do the same a few years back, until the gradual realization came that this is the direction we're clearly heading towards. Now, I personally can't wait until meat is priced at a level that most people simply can't afford their current diet anymore. At least they will have their precious words like sausage and steak to hold onto.
Honestly, to the people suggesting to bring out animal-based products and call them something to explicitly trick vegans into eating them: who hurt you? It can't be the one time you bought a product you didn't know before without reading what it actually is, that turned out to be vegan, can it? Or did you immediately develop a B12-deficiency?
For the sake of living together on this planet, please choose another topic to be a dick about.
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If you’re using chicken nuggets as the example you’re way off. Every vegetarian and vegan swears by Morning Star buffalo nuggets and the Gardein Ultimate Nuggets are better than chicken. You’re right about a lot of veggie substitutes but nuggets are one of the cases where it is just as good.
Both of those are mostly wheat flour, gluten, seed oils and soy protein.. i’ll pass..
Come on. Nuggets are 99% the breading.
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I wonder how cheap flavored soy will be in a world where there isnt a meat industry producing cheap bonemeal and bloodmeal fertilizer
How significant is it as a source of commercial fertilizer? A rounding error, from what I can tell. An article on the situation in Germany gives it the potential to replace 5% of phosphate, if all of the bonemeal was used, and currently, barely any of it is used that way. https://idw-online.de/de/news642547
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If you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.
The problem is not people being tricked, but vegan food simply needs proper names. "Vegan steak" is not meat, so what it? What is vegan cheese? Could be anything. It's not very descriptive. When you see seitan or tofu, you know what you're getting.
If you google " ingredients", you'll see that chicken meat can be less than 60%.