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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by markstos »

LegitShady wrote: post #95
Klonoar wrote: post #93

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I've found it's taken ages for the various makers to come around to the fact that you have to compete on taste, otherwise none of this is worth buying. There's finally a few (e.g, Violife) who have started to get close. Kite Hill's almond ricotta is probably 1:1 for me and I eat it when I find it on sale. I think if you're after "luxury" cheese (the kind you might enjoy with a bottle of wine) it's harder, but for day…

the overwhelming majority of cheese I eat is old cheddar or mozzarella, and I haven't seen a vegan cheese does a simulation of either worth talking about. Cooking them is even worse, while cooking cheddar or mozza is great. It's just not the same.

For a long time, all vegan cheese was bad. Some was horrible. But recently there some that made from primarily from nuts and beans that are quite good.

For a mozzarella, I recommend Miyoko's https://miyokos.com/collections/vegan-mozz

Reading "How Not to Die" gives pause on the long term health impacts of eating dairy based on evidence from nutrition studies.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by dreadlordbone »

kawsper wrote: post #47
xdennis wrote: post #28

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> The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Nonsense! I was tricked. They: * make the products look like real sausages and cheese * sell them in the same packages * label them in large letters as the real thing * write "vegan" in small letters * put them next to the real things It's all done to trick people.

> * put them next to the real things Firstly, plant-based products are real things. Secondly, I think a supermarket here in Denmark explained it best: They put the same type of meat-based and plant-based together because that's where customers expect them to be, it's simply easier for the products to be found.

Dumb semantic game with the world "real". When they are pretending to be non-vegan/meat based products the word "real" means the original they are copying.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by inportb »

autarch wrote: post #112
ratsmack wrote: post #104

I find it funny that vegans would even want to associate with food names of products that they abhor. Many vegans say that have never eaten meat, so why would they want 'steak' or 'sausage' fake meat?

I've been vegan for c. 27 years and I like these products. I grew up eating meat and dairy, and I still like the flavor and mouth feel, but I hate the cruelty.

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by kennywinker »

burnished wrote: post #124
kennywinker wrote: post #70

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I think “real” is a bit of a problem there because if vegan cheese is real it means it’s really vegan. I think the analog you’re looking for would be “fake vegan cheese”, or to make it less double-negativey we could just say “dairy cheese” which would be a perfectly understandable modifier on cheese just like how “vegan cheese” is a perfectly understandable modifier. If vegan cheese is a problem i’d like to hear your…

'Car' really just refers to the comparment right? The ICE is merely implied :)

Carmpartment? Indeed

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by kiawe_fire »

tjr225 wrote: post #60

If you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.

We have all these (justifiable) regulations to help inform people with nutrition labels and ingredient lists and allergens…

And then people just ignore them, leading to (egregious) regulations to force arbitrary naming restrictions that people will STILL probably ignore because “the picture of the meat on the front looked so good” and yet “I had no idea they were tricking me into buying VEGGIE CHIX’N and it’s not real meat”.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by zzo38computer »

I think that the labels should be clear what it is. (This can sometimes be done without avoiding certain words, but using such words alone may be inappropriate. However, using different words that more accurately describe such things (if you have better words) is probably going to be better.)

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by burnished »

kennywinker wrote: post #134
burnished wrote: post #124

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'Car' really just refers to the comparment right? The ICE is merely implied :)

Carmpartment? Indeed

No no no, thats when you live in your self driving car.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by Spivak »

Smoosh wrote: post #105
Spivak wrote: post #94

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If you’re using chicken nuggets as the example you’re way off. Every vegetarian and vegan swears by Morning Star buffalo nuggets and the Gardein Ultimate Nuggets are better than chicken. You’re right about a lot of veggie substitutes but nuggets are one of the cases where it is just as good.

> Morning Star buffalo nuggets Made from fresh buffalos I presume?

I mean that’s what I assumed when I first bought them. After I realized my terrible mistake I sent a strongly worded letter to the FDA demanding they be called bufallow nuggetz to alleviate any future confusion.

I mean they were right next to the mammoth bites and dodo eggs, how was I supposed to know?

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by zzo38computer »

mc32 wrote: post #83
kjksf wrote: post #62

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Not sure what product you're referring to. To use a concrete example: Impossible Burger is not opposite of burger but 100% designed to be impossible to tell apart from a cow burger. So it's common sense to also call it a burger.

'burger' no longer refers to Hamburger sandwiches only. So we have chicken burgers, veggie burgers, fish burgers, etc. Where 'burger' is shorthand for hot bun-sandwich. So I'm okay with "impossible burger" I would not be okay with "Impossible Hamburger" A Hamburger would refer to a sandwich made of ground meat --originally a Hamburg steak.

Yes, this I agree, and the linked article also says that "burger" can be used in this way. I do agree with you that "hamburger" should not be used for the "impossible burger".

(However, you can write "hamburger buns" for buns that can be used with "hamburger", even if the bun can also be used with other kind of "burger sandwiches" too.)

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by tjr225 »

muro wrote: post #85
tjr225 wrote: post #60

If you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.

With the much higher margins, confusing is the whole purpose.

Even if it was, which I sincerely doubt, I never said it wasn’t. Re read my post.
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