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The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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I think you are conflating normal people having normal opinions with some kind of conspiracy that simply doesn't exist.

Other forums do not suffer from this particular political lean. Reddit mods in particular are known for authoritarian ban hammering because its the only way to quiet ideas that go against their worldview, and they often approach it as a holy war that they should control the information that is visible to the public eye so they can protect the public for them, and that the public themselves are unable to decide what i…

Again, I think you are conflating normal people having normal opinions with some kind of conspiracy that simply doesn't exist.

What is "the message"? What are the "viewpoints dangerous to the reputation of their ideologies"?

It also seems weird to directly compare HN, Reddit, and "other forums" as if they are all the same thing. Reddit has hundreds of millions of users and millions of subreddits. HN is probably fairly comparable to a mid-sized subreddit but neither is really that similar to a "classic" web forum.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Okay, but you specifically said: >I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050. Can you give me a specific example related to that, as in, name a minority that hasn't yet had their 'civil rights' granted?

> mental illness (both mild and extreme forms), medical debt, disability, poverty traps, veterans, homeless, prisoners.

Poverty traps are a minority that haven't had their civil rights granted yet?

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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There are plenty of other forums. The other day William Osman just told all his followers to come here because it's "like Reddit used to be" for example.

Any other forums you’d recommend?

Topical forums run by enthusiasts are always good. 4chan is underrated in some ways even; there's a lot of garbage but the best is better than anywhere. I think in general you should avoid sites that have any kind of voting. "Bump order" brings controversial ideas to the top which means they're probably original.

IRC channels are still great too, I learned a lot lurking in places like #linux on freenode.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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I don't know about the child pornography claim, but the rest of it seems to check out. The user revealed their name in an interview here: https://www.fastcompany.com/3026860/a-brief-rundown-of-the-s... According to one of the sources linked in a sibling comment, this user was arrested for domestic violence. A quick look at their user profile shows they are the top mod of r/garland, which isn't far from where the arre…

Are you saying this single user is manning the sock puppets of everyone involved on /r/BanFemaleHateSubs and also the accounts of the 1000s of men who are, for example, inappropriately touching 1000s of sleeping women? That's how I read the original comment.

No, all I'm saying is that the wife beater accusation appears substantive.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Other forums do not suffer from this particular political lean. Reddit mods in particular are known for authoritarian ban hammering because its the only way to quiet ideas that go against their worldview, and they often approach it as a holy war that they should control the information that is visible to the public eye so they can protect the public for them, and that the public themselves are unable to decide what i…

Again, I think you are conflating normal people having normal opinions with some kind of conspiracy that simply doesn't exist. What is "the message" ? What are the "viewpoints dangerous to the reputation of their ideologies" ? It also seems weird to directly compare HN, Reddit, and "other forums" as if they are all the same thing. Reddit has hundreds of millions of users and millions of subreddits. HN is probably fai…

> Reddit has hundreds of millions of users and millions of subreddits. HN is probably fairly comparable to a mid-sized subreddit

Yes, since you're going to bring up a generalization in my argument in order to dismiss the whole thing, let me clarify it with more words than would have been acceptable in the first post. There are free-speechly(for lack of a better word, since liberal means authoritatian these days) run subreddits as well authoritatively run subreddits. Hacker news is like a free-speechly run subreddit with moderation to reduce spam but not opposing viewpoints. A whole universe of subreddits out there. I should have been more careful to keep my argument less leaky, but largely most mainstream subreddits suffer from an ideology protecting regime.

Well run or not is not, that's a matter of opinion. You probably think those reddits you defend run by authoritarian reddit mods who believe in silencing "viewpoints dangerous to the reputation of their ideologies" is well run. I happen to think it approaches the fervor, passion, hope, zeal, and spirit of the third reich.

What are these ideologies? Ive already mentioned one. Communal vs Capitalistic beliefs. Reddit moderating is a job for people who believe in contributing to the community, and thats a good thing inherent to human nature, but a gaping flaw when we move so far past dunbars number that it wouldn't even register when looking at the whole. These very good ideological beliefs thus left unchecked in an environment it wasn't meant for transforms into the thing we see today where communal maintainers feel threatened by non-communal actors and often take the dark side of abusing their power to maintain order through authoritarian means. A complete removal of discussion of outside ideas because they threaten an ideology that only works when everyone plays along.

I'm not here to discuss that topic of communism/capitalism or any other "ideologies" though. Just here to point out that the rules that govern the system self selects personalities that gravitate towards ruling through certain means. That's the "conspiracy" that is observable in real time.

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You're being downvoted but even as a progressive liberal I do think that pushing political correctness too hard and too fast has resulted in this conservative backlash we're now seeing across our country. Change needs to be iterative and sensible. I was amazed at how quickly public sentiment opened up to gay marriage and legal marijuana for example, but now equally dismayed by how quickly the conservative backlash is…

I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050.

I'm not saying that. Remember I'm saying I'm a super-liberal NYer trying to reconcile how good ppl in the rest of the country can have such different views. First I realize that if you've never met a black/trans/gay/immigrant person, you probably believe the worst of what Fox tells you. So as the progressive movement, we should give the benefit of the doubt to ppl (e.g. don't make a big deal of pronouns; state your pronoun without shame, but also realize that lots of ppl have zero experience w/ non-traditional pronounce so cut them some slack when they slip up). And find common ground. The biggest thing I learned moving from small-town all-white CT where yes, racism was prevalent to NYC was that wow, we're all basically the same. We all want the same basic freedoms and have the same struggles. Don't let politicians divide us and unite as Americans because we're almost all fucking immigrants.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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I disagree with what the article says. If you follow no news or politics related subreddits, its a wholesome and friendly place (mostly) like it always was. The mistake is thinking news and politics make good talking topics on the internet, on massive platforms like that. Headlines are the only thing people read, theres no genuine discussion, just people screaming as loud as they can, hoping their opinion ends up bei…

> If you follow no news or politics related subreddits, its a wholesome and friendly place (mostly) like it always was. It's a shame that you have to go out of your way to make it a decent experience. It's been a while since I've created a new account. Do you still need to manually unsubscribe from 50+ subreddits?

I believe in the beginning it persuades you to subscribe to "recommended" ones, but I remember theres a way to make an account that follows nothing, its not difficult but not the default either

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Reddit only bans links when the Reddit post is mockery/harassment of the original content/creator, as an anti-doxxing measure. Otherwise linking to source is common and encouraged.

There is no way to verify content that is hosted on reddit's CDN, anyone could make any claim about OC at any time. The only way IDs happen is in comments, and that comes long after the damage is already done. Reddit used to allow external links, but now only a few subs do it (None of the default subs allow external links) because it's common practice on the site. Regardless of linking to the OC, it's still hijacking…

I think because youtube can earn creators significant money, it becomes the a primary source of spam on reddit and profitable youtubers can flood everything out with voting rings.

And that is the stuff behind subs blocking youtube and the strict self-promotion rules.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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One word: transgender. Any light criticism or joke results in a subreddit and site wide ban.

There is an entire and big-ish sub (I forgot its name) which basically just bans anything that mentions the word "trans", doesn't matter if it's a positive mention or a negative one, just straight up ban. It's not that they are pro or against the trans issue (they're an "edgy" sub, that I do remember), it's just that the mods don't want their sub getting nuked by the admins and, as such, staying as far as possible fr…

moderatepolitics does this, not because they want to, but because Reddit threatened to ban the entire subreddit if there was any discussion of trans issues.
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