Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

Post by fluctor » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:45 AM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #70

Barrin92 wrote: post #58

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>but to get away from that you need gradual steps Given that you bring up the space program in the same post I'll stick with the metaphor and point out that you can't go to the moon by climbing up trees, or as Russ Ackoff said, doing the wrong thing right is worse than doing the right thing wrong, because making the wrong thing more efficient just makes things worse. If you want fully automated, efficient transport t…

>If you want fully automated, efficient transport this technology already exists, it's train and subway systems You still need cars for going from point A to the train station and from the other train station to point B.

Post by JKCalhoun » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:46 AM UTC

Akronymus wrote: post #39

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #30

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Public transportation could take the form of government-owned fleets of self-driving electric cars :) I love going directly from point A to B in a private space and I'm not ashamed to admit it. This provides value to my life in the form of comfort and convenience, factors that are so frequently waved away as irrelevant by anyone screaming "car culture". However, it's admittedly obscene that for this privledge, my veh…

> I love going directly from point A to B in a private space and I'm not ashamed to admit it. This provides value to my life in the form of comfort and convenience, factors that are so frequently waved away as irrelevant by anyone screaming "car culture". Its not irrelevant. But driving becomes better the less people are taking cars. So, even for people who would never take public transport or something like that, it…

Post by JKCalhoun » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:47 AM UTC

maximus-decimus wrote: post #20

xyst wrote: post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Self driving would be worth it for trucking on its own and you're not gonna reduce trucking by making cities more walkable.

Post by JKCalhoun » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:49 AM UTC

trgn wrote: post #94

uoaei wrote: post #15

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Everything here is objectively correct and this is a comment that contributes to the conversation. But I saw your comment and it was already gray, with 0 minutes of age. Funny how shamelessly "rational" people react emotionally when their preferred narrative is challenged.

It's because the commenter's solution to the problems of waste, noise, pollution, obesity, and people dying and getting maimed through traffic violence, is, essentially, the removal of a technological layer. Driverless cars, in opposition, is the addition of a technological layer. We are all modernists now. Essentially, this means that we perceive technology in itself as a value. The primary value is not the end goal…

Post by TheSpiceIsLife » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:53 AM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #96

With all of the talk, usually around Teslas but I suppose it applies to all EVs, that I've seen over the years akin to, "Just imagine how safe driving will be when every vehicle is FSD and can talk to one another," I have to ask... shouldn't we anticipate seeing similar issues to this in that scenario? I mean yeah, there will be different manufacturers so it's not like every car in a city could come to a standstill.…