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Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Could this just be a simple case of GPS jamming?

Could be but a much more likely cause is a software update that went bad. Likely the cloud rained on them.

Do Teslas update themselves while driving, or only when they're parked?

It seems like a bad idea to deploy an update to a vehicle in traffic.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Could this just be a simple case of GPS jamming?

Background: I formerly worked at Cruise and specifically wrote large parts of the GNSS data pipeline. I would be surprised if that were the cause. Fine localization should be able to resolve without GNSS input (with caveats) and there are specific tested requirements to be able to tolerate a certain number of minutes of outage even in the absence of LIDAR before position accuracy degrades beyond acceptable limits. It…

What do you think it is if you had to guess?

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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People may get annoyed at cruise for this, but imo it’s still not as bad as the constant blocking of bike lanes and stopping in the middle of the road by human ride share drivers.

I am more annoyed at this country's car centric transportation culture than the ride share drivers blocking the bike lane.

taxis do this all the time before "ride sharing" was a thing.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Cities cannot easily be "redesigned". Infrastructure exists and you can't just refactor neighborhoods like software.

Autonomous vehicles are an enormous market and well worth the investment.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Everything here is objectively correct and this is a comment that contributes to the conversation. But I saw your comment and it was already gray, with 0 minutes of age. Funny how shamelessly "rational" people react emotionally when their preferred narrative is challenged.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be but a much more likely cause is a software update that went bad. Likely the cloud rained on them.

Do Teslas update themselves while driving, or only when they're parked? It seems like a bad idea to deploy an update to a vehicle in traffic.

Only while parked. And they never update "themselves" except in rare specific circumstances. They have to be told to update by the owner.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Cities cannot easily be "redesigned". Infrastructure exists and you can't just refactor neighborhoods like software. Autonomous vehicles are an enormous market and well worth the investment.

Except, you sorta can. See "superblocks" in places like Barcelona

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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post #13
post #8

People may get annoyed at cruise for this, but imo it’s still not as bad as the constant blocking of bike lanes and stopping in the middle of the road by human ride share drivers.

I am more annoyed at this country's car centric transportation culture than the ride share drivers blocking the bike lane. taxis do this all the time before "ride sharing" was a thing.

Very true! Cities in the US invest much too little in things like bike lanes and public transit which I think leads to the annoyingly car centric nature of US cities.

In some sense it’s not the taxi driver or ride share drivers fault they block the road or bike lanes it’s really just the system they are thrown into.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Self driving would be worth it for trucking on its own and you're not gonna reduce trucking by making cities more walkable.
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