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Why I’m Cryptophobic

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Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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I generally agree with the article. I would say that people using "crypto" as a hedge against inflation are sorely mistaken as the correlation with inflation is probably incredibly low. It's too volatile to be a store of wealth. It has no intrinsic value. It's incredibly resource inefficient. It's not an "investment" since it doesn't produce anything, and financially it has performed worse than real investments. The…

Forget everything else, simply having an asset that's limited in quantity and almost impossible to seize is significantly better than any other alternative. A cursory reading of the rise and fall of civilizations and currencies will tell you how flawed the current fiat system is and how much better BTC is

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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Not the person you are responding to, but is there somewhere reputable offering these kinds of contracts to no-name retail investors like myself? I would absolutely load up on something like 12,000 - 15,000 USD bitcoin puts depending on the time decay people are offering and how certain I could be that they would actually let me exercise them, and not freeze trading or even go belly up during the crash. I am somewhat…

There are dozens of dApps where anyone with an internet connection and money can buy/sell puts and other options on BTC anonymously. They have full openly auditable reserves and all their code is open source and visible on their respective smartchains. Wanting an institution to provide a sub-par solution for this is a cop-out. Put up or shut-up.

With a centralized service I don’t need a law degree, I can quickly ask an expert what my rights are and understand an option, and there is a (limited and slow, but existant) method to make myself whole in the event of a problem. Each dApp is its own special setup and it can be quite complicated to figure out exactly how it behaves, who to sue if it doesn’t, and who to pay money to find these things out for me. I hope you’ll forgive me for being worried about trusting that with any significant sum of money.

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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There needs to be some basic economics here.. Money has value because of the value of the economic transactions in which its conducted. Government-backed currencies are forced to have value in the sense they force people to use it for their taxes. The US, additionally, forces the world to use it for oil trades. Value is in those economic transactions. A currency is just a "liquifying" of that value, to make it easier…

> The US, additionally, forces the world to use it for oil trades.

That is not true. The US isn't forcing anyone to use the dollar, e.g.: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-considers-acceptin...

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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I really don’t buy the old taxes-make-the-money-work chestnut. Far too many counterexamples.

Taxes aren't why money generally works (money emerges naturally in human societies), but taxes are what makes national currencies work. If you don't pay your taxes, you don't get to participate in the local economy for very long. Men with guns will eventually come to your home and take your stuff and/or take your freedom. You can't even do direct barter without cash without incurring a tax obligation in the US, https…

> so there's still a fine balancing act required to keep the masses generally consenting of the arrangement

Yes, this is the part where the government (state or federal) delivers value, such as education, healthcare, natsec, and generally facilitates the ability to do business via the court system. I think it’s disingenuous to make the argument you’re making without acknowledging the value that government provides.

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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There needs to be some basic economics here.. Money has value because of the value of the economic transactions in which its conducted. Government-backed currencies are forced to have value in the sense they force people to use it for their taxes. The US, additionally, forces the world to use it for oil trades. Value is in those economic transactions. A currency is just a "liquifying" of that value, to make it easier…

> The US, additionally, forces the world to use it for oil trades. That is not true. The US isn't forcing anyone to use the dollar, e.g.: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-considers-acceptin...

With sanctions against Russia the US is actually doing the opposite. Forcing them not to use the USD.

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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There needs to be some basic economics here.. Money has value because of the value of the economic transactions in which its conducted. Government-backed currencies are forced to have value in the sense they force people to use it for their taxes. The US, additionally, forces the world to use it for oil trades. Value is in those economic transactions. A currency is just a "liquifying" of that value, to make it easier…

So scarcity pays no role in value? Is the Mona Lisa not valuable? If money is printed it doesn't lose value? Why would Bitcoin collapse if it was used at "any" scale? Low max transactions per second? It is used by some people (even if not many) to pay for real things as well as wages! Are you saying an "economic" transaction has to be a commodity or taxes? I think any specific currency is valuable because people beli…

> Is the Mona Lisa not valuable?

That's such a silly argument. There are thousands of paintings around the world with the same level of scarcity as the Mona Lisa, but have far less value.

Scarcity drives up prices on items that already have some perceived value. It doesn't create any value itself.

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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I really don’t buy the old taxes-make-the-money-work chestnut. Far too many counterexamples.

Taxes aren't why money generally works (money emerges naturally in human societies), but taxes are what makes national currencies work. If you don't pay your taxes, you don't get to participate in the local economy for very long. Men with guns will eventually come to your home and take your stuff and/or take your freedom. You can't even do direct barter without cash without incurring a tax obligation in the US, https…

> The simple truth is that every government is at its core the biggest, baddest gang in the land.

Were.

I don't know if you subscribe to the political analysis of Adam Curtis but in the past two decades governments have been passing their power to private banks, corporations, QANGOs and "non majoritarian" think-tanks like it's a hot potato. The new breed of politicians are not statesmen but revolving-door temporary managers who would sell-off and outsource the whole country for personal convenience.

Other than a monopoly on violent power (which is vanishing fast in the USA as private cops and prisons take over) it's hard to locate the power of government sometimes. Even the military is dissolving into a loose collection of defence contractors. In the UK our intellgence services were more or less sold to Amazon.

The OP article seems dead set against anarcho-libertarianism but it is by no means pro-government, or explicitly pro-democracy. With regard to money and economics, from my moderately pro-government/state stance I see the great mistake governments are making is giving up on cash.

Physical currency is an absolutely vital component of a stable economy. Its very lack of instantaneous fluidity (it relative inconvenience) means it acts like a capacitor to stabilise markets if you can manage circulation and interest. Moreover, governments have a strict monopoly on that, and physical currencies can take on many new guises with modern cash technology. Abandoning that would be suicide.

If governments get into a battle to take the ground of purely digital currencies against crypto, they will lose. They are making this mistake in an attempt to gain legibility (surveillance). Ultimately they will have to choose between surveillance and economic control. And since the value of surveillance is massively over-rated I am optimistic we'll pull out of the Orwellian misadventure in time.

Anyone genuinely interested in defending against the "ideology of crypto" (as this article posits) should be investing in new cash technologies (some of which I have mentioned in earlier comments here). They should be promoting a plurality of diverse cash equivalents (many of which can be implemented using cryptographic technology - not necessarily block-chain).

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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This is well said, I’m gonna borrow that - “crypto is like a 0 calorie apple.” This matters. Even gold, at least I can wear it and display my wealth. You can’t even display your crypto wealth like that. It is entirely lacking in any “real” value. Idea: luxury tshirt made out of a $5 white tee with a wallet QR code slapped on the front showing off the balance of the shirt. Or a ring. Crypto fine jewelry.

Real value doesn't matter. "Marginal" value is what matters. Breathable air and drinkable water have the greatest real value of anything, but their marginal values are zero and near zero respectively for a number of reasons (chiefly scarcity).

Marginal value itself is unstable compared to real value. Sure, the amount of air you require may change, albeit insignificantly. Marginal value can go +/- total value at any moment due to external factors.

> Breathable air and drinkable water have the greatest real value of anything, but their marginal values are zero and near zero respectively for a number of reasons

Case in point. Sure, abundant now. But when they are not, which we know is actually happening, that “0 marginal value” will quickly become “whatever we can afford so we can survive”.

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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You don't even need to go back that far: e-gold, liberty reserve. Fun fact, bitcoin client had a poker lobby in it, and it was announced mere weeks after Liberty Reserve court ruling jailing its founder for 20 to life for money laundering. Individual or groups behind bitcoin were watching that Liberty Reserve trial very very closely and e-gold/liberty reserve was very popular amongst the online poker industry ;) Ther…

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you know how to use google right?

Re: Why I’m Cryptophobic

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The reason why me and my friends use crypto is simple. In the current financial system i give you ALL of my info and hope you don't rob me blind. In crypto i sent you money. Small distinction, but one that will be increasingly more important as we modernize.

Do you think that benefit outweighs the wild variance in valuation of most cryptocurrencies? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious.

To be honest - and this is to my detriment; I have no idea how much crypto i have/ what it's worth at any given moment. So... no haha.

I participate in 30 different defi pools across tons of different protocols, have money in various excahnges, run like 10 different nodes on Eth, BTC, Sol, Filecoin, etc.

I was lucky enough to get into crypto in 2014 and treated it like a game. Started mining from my gaming rig and have been addicted since. I haven't put any money into the ecosystem besides harware (My filecoin node as $12k, gaming rig is $25k, bought 2 helios miners, bought some NGX chips for ZK's, etc.)

I used to love runescape. I would love waking up, checking my flips in the grand exchange, running dailys like farming and checking my ales, etc. As i got older, i discovered blockchain has similiar mechanics. Now it's one of my favorite things in the world to check the various defi pools available, read about different projects, leveraged trading, 'daily's and is just a distraction from my real life. work.

So in short, crypto is a game. As long as people keep taking it too seriously, they will lose the game.

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