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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

TikTok is a spectacular example of both human- and democracy-hacking. It's like an authoritarian regime saw facebook in 2012 and said, "hold my beverage of choice."

I tried it during the election to see what it was about, and was almost immediately bombarded with political content and pizzagate-adjacent garbage. And you're just supposed to let it feed you the next engaging thing? Yikes.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Like google, twitter, facebook, instagram, apple and more.

At very least Twitter and Apple have a decent track record of declining to provide data without justification. It seems pretty safe to assume the Chinese government wouldn't have to ask at all to get any of this information.

If that's the standard we have on hackernews it's not that hard to imagine why the vast majority of people simply don't care who trades their data.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

One is committing a genocide of muslims and one is playing fast and loose with your data.

It's disingenuous to assume their capabilities are the same.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

> it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way Like all US billionaires, then? > Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but that fact is not necessarily true of all (or even most) Americans The US government and ruling class doesn't see Meta as their adversary, even if it this the adversary of some Americans.

>Like all US billionaires, then?

Sheldon Adelson is the only other billionaire that comes to mind in recent times who is spending on this scale. In the 2020 cycle for Trump, he spent about 40% less than what Zuckerberg did this past cycle.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/31/sheldson-ade...

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

One is committing a genocide of muslims and one is playing fast and loose with your data. It's disingenuous to assume their capabilities are the same.

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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It might be that China is rounding up Muslims and oh, I don't know, putting them in camps against their will? Maybe just a skosh? Or that time China shot at several Indian soldiers and killed a few?

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> The US has just done far worse.

How many people have been killed in US wars vs. the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

Remind me where the US has implemented a concentration camp of about a million individuals based on ethnicity alone and then continually denied its existence against overwhelming evidence from the international community.

Which foreign companies did the US use spies to steal foreign IP from during peacetime and also categorically deny?

Oh, and what's the name of the US system that censors wrongthink in real-time from all US-based social media, or the name of the system that controls US resident access to the internet?

What were the names of a few US citizens whose families were threatened if those citizens didn't stop badmouthing the US and returned to their homeland?

How many companies and people abroad did the US threaten with economic repercussions if they didn't stop claiming that an island nation wasn't just that?

And where's the paid army of anonymous internet commentators that the US uses to astroturf foreign websites?

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The US, while having done a great many bad things, at least has a democratic process - there is the potential for the citizens to positively affect their government's actions, weak as it might be. China doesn't even have that - it's a tyrannical dictatorship, full stop.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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I'm mostly referring to the rights of private companies operating under US law to dispute executive action. Apple, for example, refuses to unlock phones regardless of the citizenship status of user.

Apple unlock drama was over "all writs act" where FBI compelled Apple to write new software to access user hardware versus using alleged (non)existing capabilities. FBI ended up using third party solutions, but after US gov decided to simply cirvumvent user layer via CLOUD act to simply legistate that manufactures have to make such remote access capabilities available, aka adopting PRC requirements. Seems to me, func…

I'm not defending the CLOUD act, but it is definitely a substantively different type of a situation than having your company completely nationalized as it was with GCBD.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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It’s incredible that the US allowed TikTok (which is by all measures a chinese spy tool) to become such a dominant social network. India got it right from the beggining by banning TikTok. They saw the immense threat and didn’t hesitate. China, by principle, has always banned all foreign information technology companies. What seemed hostile for us, it’s a reasonable play if you understand the unmeasurable power of mas…

> Although video-sharing app TikTok was developed by Chinese company Bytedance, it is not available in China. Instead users can download a twin app, Douyin, which was also developed by Bytedance. Douyin features restrictions such as blocks on international content and limits on children’s usage. The Chinese state owns a stake in the Bytedance subsidiary that controls its domestic Chinese social media and information…

Douyin collects a fuck load data too, maybe less than TikTok one day once new PRC privacy rules come into effect. But that's somethign US doemstic politics have to sort out for their territory.

>promoting copious amounts of destabilizing and divisive political

Ant that's more fault of US political culture than TikTok being Chinese/PRC. IMO TikTok would like nothing better to ban politics from platform, but that's how you get the muh-free-speech types reeeing about PRC censorship. Large reason WHY TikTok/Douyin is successful is from lessons learned maturing in PRC/Chinese censorship enviroment - platforms are very good at censoring/filtering destablizing political content to focus on light hearted content that produce casual engagement and political serenity. Chinese social platforms are calibrated for stability, but when in rome... see all the western media campaigns trying to smear tiktok for censorship when it first gained popularity, of course now that TikTok as calibrated to political reality of US market, the "destablizing" narrative gets pushed.

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