Most people hate Unity. They are sticking with it. Canonical needs to be profitable.
OK, so which distribution is everyone switching over to in place of Ubuntu?
A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
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Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#92This reminds me of a fight in a church about how high on the wall the cross should be hanging. Bitter arguments among side-stream groups (church-goers, linux-users) are a much bigger reason why these groups do not attract mainstream audiences then what it is they're fighting about. Unity, Gnome, and KDE are all headed towards a more Mac-like UI because Apple is the most lauded software design company in the world. Li…
The question is, has Apple "solved" UI? Some might argue that they have succeeded on mobile devices. But what about the Desktop? In my opinion, the desktop is still a ghetto. Be it Windows, Ubuntu or OS X. Open a couple of applications and documents and well, OS X crumbles from a UX point of view. Do I need to see all open Finders, applications and open docs when I should be getting stuff done? Multi-tasking leads to high complexity and the visual organization of all the information seems to be unresolved problem.
Secondly, is it worth wile to bring the mobile experience to the desktop?
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#93I use Ubuntu as my exclusive desktop OS. Ubuntu / Linux has far bigger problems than Unity. (Jump to point 5 for conclusion). 1. There are huge regressions. With the upgrade to 11.10 my laptop's battery life has been cut from 5-6 hours to 2-2.5 hours. This is on an Asus UL machine that on Windows gets 10 hours. This may be a kernel issue, but Canonical could add a lot of value by at least warning, or better, fixing/m…
#3 is one of my biggest gripes, in general. The Gimp is one of the worst products I've ever taken the time to try to learn. I'm not just tweaking photos, I'm trying to do some work as a professional, working on files given to me by other professionals. Forget about trying to open a PSD with more than a couple layers on it. Don't even bother. And the interface... I don't mind spending a week or two learning an interfa…
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Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#94I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is also trying radical changes to become the mac osx of the linux world. Well, it's not even a good distro at work. We're using the last two version of ubuntu, because everytime we upgrade, it breaks. I used archlinux and I liked what it does. I expect archlinux to…
I used ubuntu for 5 years or so and finally moved off of it almost 2 years ago. I was a huge linux fan until i used ubuntu. Which intially was great but soon became nothing but marketing hype with one buggy broken release after another. Which just became tiresome after a while. Especially since with each release they act as if THAT release will finally fix all the bugs theyve had and linux hs had. Only to find out it…
> Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one.
I really don't understand this comment.
There are very many other distributions, covering a wide range of needs.
- Fedora, Mageia, Sabyon, and Mint Debian : nice desktops, easy to use - Arch, Gentoo, LFS : suitable for power users and tinkering - Slitaz, TinyCore, Puppy : minimal, configurable
etc etc.
None of these are based on Ubuntu.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#95I am an irregular Linux user and am not deeply involved in the Ubuntu community, but over the past several months I have seen the general attitude of "random geeks" change dramatically with regards to Ubuntu. A year ago the standard response to a new user inquiring about Linux was "install Ubuntu, it's easy, there's lots of help available. Go get 'em tiger." Now, Ubuntu is usually spoken of with a kind of regretful c…
> A year ago the standard response to a new user inquiring about Linux was "install Ubuntu, it's easy, there's lots of help available. Go get 'em tiger." Now, Ubuntu is usually spoken of with a kind of regretful contempt. True. I used to suggest Ubuntu myself (actually, I was one of the people who started with Ubuntu, now I'm on Arch). I've switched to either suggesting to install one of the forks of Ubuntu (mostly K…
Good grief please don't suggest crunchbang for new users!!
Unless it's used as a transition for a clueful, but new to Linux, user who's going to learn a bit and then move to a different distribution. (Probably Arch or Tiny Core, if you're suggesting CrunchBang.)
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. Projects need these wake up calls and should listen to them much closer. Firefox is a good example. I have used it since "Phoenix 0.1" came out. Already during "Firebird" times, users have started to complain that it is getting slower and bigger. Mozilla ignored it. It needed Google's Chrome browser to ring the bells at Mozilla and show them that the user complaints were valid after all. Compare that with…
Upvoted, but what's your math for 25+ years of Linux kernel development?
Off by 10. I meant 15+ years.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#97That's why iOS has a springboard in only one place, same for Android. These are modern interfaces, based on serious design work. Our goal is to compete with those, so we're not that interested in matching functionality that was in Win95, especially if we think that functionality will get dropped in Windows 8 or 9 or 10. So they want Unity to be a GUI for tablets? How far up your ass does your head have to be, to thin…
Exactly right. I am going to state the obvious here. UI's should be designed around their input methods. If the input on a tablet and a desktop are different (mouse vs fingers) then use a different UI. Plain and simple. Gnome 2.3 was a very, very good UI aimed at desktops. 3.0 is another kinda sorta tablet UI that only kinda sorta works on desktops (I am playing around with Gnome 3.0, XFCE, and a few others). The fun…
You can't buy a tablet with Unity or Gnome 3 on it anyway. I suppose they haven't completed user acceptance testing yet.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#98This reminds me of a fight in a church about how high on the wall the cross should be hanging. Bitter arguments among side-stream groups (church-goers, linux-users) are a much bigger reason why these groups do not attract mainstream audiences then what it is they're fighting about. Unity, Gnome, and KDE are all headed towards a more Mac-like UI because Apple is the most lauded software design company in the world. Li…
The question is, has Apple "solved" UI? Some might argue that they have succeeded on mobile devices. But what about the Desktop? In my opinion, the desktop is still a ghetto. Be it Windows, Ubuntu or OS X. Open a couple of applications and documents and well, OS X crumbles from a UX point of view. Do I need to see all open Finders, applications and open docs when I should be getting stuff done? Multi-tasking leads to…
I don't have answers to either of your questions, and neither does anybody else. The answers are not going to come from fights about what UI should be, but from as many OS developers as possible doing as many experiments as possible on the largest number of users possible.
My point was that this isn't going to happen if the community continues all of this back biting.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#99I use Ubuntu as my exclusive desktop OS. Ubuntu / Linux has far bigger problems than Unity. (Jump to point 5 for conclusion). 1. There are huge regressions. With the upgrade to 11.10 my laptop's battery life has been cut from 5-6 hours to 2-2.5 hours. This is on an Asus UL machine that on Windows gets 10 hours. This may be a kernel issue, but Canonical could add a lot of value by at least warning, or better, fixing/m…
#3 is one of my biggest gripes, in general. The Gimp is one of the worst products I've ever taken the time to try to learn. I'm not just tweaking photos, I'm trying to do some work as a professional, working on files given to me by other professionals. Forget about trying to open a PSD with more than a couple layers on it. Don't even bother. And the interface... I don't mind spending a week or two learning an interfa…
Gimp's latest update includes interface changes: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/GIMP_2.6_Released_Off...
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#100As a long-time Linux desktop user (but Ubuntu outsider) I have been watching this unfold for quite a while. I think that Mark Suttleworth is smitten by Apple and desperately wants to create a mostly free-software OSX-ish Linux distro. He copied the anchored menu bar, moved the window controls to the left, copied exposé, copied some elements of the OSX panel, tried to improve typography, etc. Some of these were actual…
It seems unfortunate to me that the Canonical designers didn't just start from the very functional, very slick Gnome 2.x releases and improved and polished them while keeping a stable base. Instead there seems to be a need to reinvent a usability paradigm that worked extremely well and gave users a lot of power while keeping a level of simplicity which, while higher than that of mobile interfaces, is in most ways app…
It would be nice if Gnome 2, worked without crashing gnome-panel erratically on my desktop!