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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by triyambakam »

la_fayette wrote: post #97
tdy721 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the templates are written in JSX. No quoting nightmares, nesting is a breeze, the server side APIs speak like the browser ones, and it's really fast. With deno.dev hosting on the edge, it's server side like php, but way better. I used to like WordPress, now I love Deno.

thx for your comment, as i said i might get all wrong. Still think PHP template engines like Twig are well designed and make you highly productive. Personally, I feel JSX is a code smell, as it mixes UI snippets with code. But this is maybe my old school software engineering attitude. I am just waiting for the next OSCommerce package written in JSX...

> mixes UI snippets with code

You can never really avoid it unless you only use HTML. Templates are code. I think JSX is nicer because it's fully featured and the same syntax as regular JS, not a subset limited template language

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by pier25 »

peterangular wrote: post #33
likortera wrote: post #21

Am I the only one that think nowadays anything can be called "full stack"? For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? I'm missing the translations system, the validations, the background jobs, the authentication system, authorization helpers, email sending, ORM or data access layer, testing framework, CSRF and relate…

Node/JS solutions typically don't come "batteries included." "Fullstack" means different things depending on the ecosystem and for Node devs it means "hey there's a solution for the front-end and back-end." Totally understand about Django, Laravel etc. but typically if I'm building in Node/JS I'm pulling all of that extra stuff in from npm piecing it together myself.

> I'm pulling all of that extra stuff in from npm piecing it together myself

You should check out Fastify.

It does solve a lot of stuff for you. Either included in the core or with official plugins.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by rglover »

naikrovek wrote: post #119
hestefisk wrote: post #107

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“Post Unix”?

well many of us think that the excellent ideas of computing in the 1970s (those that produced Unix) are no longer the best ways to do things, and believe that the community should be innovating much more. a lot of those innovations are over 50 years old, now. do we REALLY believe that the Unix Philosophy is the best thing in the history of computing? past and future? really? I don't. and what about in another 50 year…

This argument is fuzzy. Your goal shouldn't be replacement just because it's old, but rather, because you actually have a more efficient or easy to understand approach.

As far as I can tell, there's a marketing term ("post-unix") but not any concrete ideas backing it. The Ryan Dahl post linked above is equally fuzzy as it seems to just be saying "use an encapsulated runtime for scripting that replaces existing Unix-level dependencies with Web Assembly code that runs on top of Unix."

Not to be rude but it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. Is there a blog post or video explaining the general thesis here?

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by rglover »

lenkite wrote: post #128
unsupp0rted wrote: post #103

This looks like something I'd like to try but I don't like JSX (TSX). Is it possible to use Fresh with Vue in place of Preact, and write Vue components that split HTML templates from script and style tags?

Yes, same here. Hate JSX/TSX. Would love to have choice of templating engine so can stick to pure HTML/CSS as much as possible. I still prefer simple template engines like Mustache which respect HTML.

You might dig Joystick https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick. Takes the compositional aspects of JSX/React but uses a very thin abstraction over vanilla HTML/CSS/JS to do it.

Joystick is full-stack (UI framework directly integrated with a Node.js back-end framework) but the UI part can be used on its own.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by aabhay »

We are using the pre release version of Nuxt v3 in production. I really like Nuxt’s developer experience and it is my go-to for front end development. As a backend, I truly don’t pay much attention to whether it’s Firebase + Workers, Vercel, Cloudflare, etc. The framework basically does it all under the hood for us.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by jokethrowaway »

DanHulton wrote: post #101
peterangular wrote: post #33

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Node/JS solutions typically don't come "batteries included." "Fullstack" means different things depending on the ecosystem and for Node devs it means "hey there's a solution for the front-end and back-end." Totally understand about Django, Laravel etc. but typically if I'm building in Node/JS I'm pulling all of that extra stuff in from npm piecing it together myself.

This is actually part of why I created Nodewood [1], because every new Node project required pulling all that together, and every new SaaS idea I had had the same basic requirements (user management, subscription management, teams support, etc). Then I figured, if I found this useful, surely others would too, so I packaged it up and have had a few happy customers since then, who have helped me refine it, which feeds…

To each his own, personally I stay away from Django and full fledged frameworks (context: I run a few small saas and launch new products frequently).

I find that having to dig to find out how things are done and trying to hack around the framework is the cause of bugs and frustrations.

I still manage two services based on Django and they're a continue cause of pain.

I'd rather spend a week at the beginning of the project and set things up the way I want them with minimal dependencies. Then evolving things is fairly easy, just a matter of skimming through the code.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by triyambakam »

upupandup wrote: post #121
dwmbt wrote: post #69

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deno has been around for a little while, i think some commentators may have taken your responses as satirical because of how often deno shows up in conversations surrounding the web platform. think of deno as a node.js successor, it's a separate javascript runtime; with that, it'll need to compete with node's ecosystem (vast and diverse tooling). the deno company is spearheading that movement by creating things like…

today was the first time i heard of deno and i innocently asked whether it is something like AWS lambda edge. That was grounds for: - death threats to my twitter account - flagging all of my comments - justifying how i deserved it. Just wow.

> - death threats to my twitter account

I'm skeptical

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