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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by dimal »

lucacasonato wrote: post #9
shafyy wrote: post #4

I really like the idea of Deno and Fresh's philosophy also resonates with me (I'm a Rails guy). I would like to see an integrated ORM (can be an existing one) and testing framework though, before I would consider it a "full-stack" web framework.

Yes, this is something I want to add in the future. We're just not quite there yet. My current plan is: 1. first class styling plugins 2. synchronized island state 3. built in data persistence

Since people are voting for Tailwind support, I have to throw in my vote for CSS modules! Even though Tailwind has a lot of momentum now, there are still a lot of people quietly getting things done with CSS Modules, CSS-in-JS, etc. :)

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by somethingAlex »

From what I gather, it seems like this would be a good choice if a portion of clients are on low end devices and it is more of a MPA/SPA hybrid - not a full blown web app. A lot of E-commerce and informational sites do fall into the MPA/SPA hybrid bucket.

If you really are making a web app (think dropbox, cloud based enterprise software) I think you'd reach a point where there is so much interactivity that you are essentially shipping Preact, custom component JS, and just a little bit of static HTML. The latter bucket is the only one which saves the user network and parsing time (and I doubt much of it.) I'd still go with a properly chunked SPA for true web apps.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

upupandup wrote: post #10
gkapur wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume the idea is that this is native to the deno runtime whereas some other frameworks like NextJS and Remix are "node native?"

Isn't DENO just AWS Lambda@Edge but you can't use anything other than JS/TS? edit: whoa whats with these downvotes? and im being accused of being a troll for asking a legitimate question? I am trying to evaluate this and my comments are being flagged for no reason Dang This is the second or third time just asking innocent questions on a YC linked company resulted in mass downvotes and flagging.

Personally I downvoted you because it isn't productive to reduce something down the way you did

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by pantulis »

pseudosavant wrote: post #94
la_fayette wrote: post #53

Maybe I am getting all wrong, but this sounds like PHP.

And not everything, just many things, was wrong with PHP. No build step was the norm for PHP the last time I wrote much of it. I love things like this, ES modules, etc, that make it easier to have build-step-free apps.

Things have changed quite a bit in PHP land, mind you.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by abaldwin99 »

likortera wrote: post #21

Am I the only one that think nowadays anything can be called "full stack"? For me "full stack" is something like Rails, Laravel, Django, etc. Or is it just being able to run code on the server enough to be "full stack"? I'm missing the translations system, the validations, the background jobs, the authentication system, authorization helpers, email sending, ORM or data access layer, testing framework, CSRF and relate…

Some of these newer frameworks are certainly using the term "full stack" in a very different sense than how it's been used historically. Could you fault someone for a cursory reading of the homepage and coming away thinking that Fresh/Remix do all the features you listed out of the box?

There's enough confusion here I suppose I'll start using the term "batteries included framework" for the technologies you listed.

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by upupandup »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #93
upupandup wrote: post #5

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That's quite an edit. My advice is to just ask your question and don't overanalyze the tone of the responses as their tone is related to their interpretation of your own tone/honesty. But if the responses seem weird or unfair to you, it's useful to ask yourself how you might have come off the wrong way. gherkinnn's response sheds light on why your question could have been misinterpreted as, for example, low effort.

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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by upupandup »

gherkinnn wrote: post #81
upupandup wrote: post #5

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Deno is a TS runtime. Deno Deploy is a place on which to deploy a Deno project. Fresh is a framework with which to write web apps on Deno, which then can be deployed to Deno Deploy. Your question seemingly conflates these three things and adds unrelated elements. To answer what you might be asking: TS is a nice language and Deno offers excellent tooling, Deno Deploy is easier to use than AWS and Fresh makes it easy t…

yeah but why does it warrant death threats? what is so threatening about my original question someone would send death threats?

Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by upupandup »

lvass wrote: post #71
upupandup wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're guilty of the sins of conflating orthogonal resources, aggravated by the fact one is a hugely overused proprietary, expensive and absolutely unrelated service, so the downvotes were definitely expected. Then even worse, you're editing posts to complain. Whoever may be contacting you though, here's my fuck you to them.

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Re: Fresh is a new full stack web framework for Deno

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Post by naikrovek »

hestefisk wrote: post #107
ponyous wrote: post #95

I listened to a conference talk[0] where Dylan talks about fresh framework and he says quoting: "We have this little project at Deno ... it's not a web framework that we're really promoting or you know intending to utilise long term. More of kind of a demo of what this post unix web frameworks might look like" Is it worth investing in this now? It really put me off. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBcFJmQ6UVM at…

“Post Unix”?

well many of us think that the excellent ideas of computing in the 1970s (those that produced Unix) are no longer the best ways to do things, and believe that the community should be innovating much more.

a lot of those innovations are over 50 years old, now. do we REALLY believe that the Unix Philosophy is the best thing in the history of computing? past and future? really? I don't. and what about in another 50 years? how about 1000 years? at some point, many much better ideas will emerge.

that's what "post-Unix" means. the things that come after this Unix thing we're hung up on.

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