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MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by dasil003 »

idle_processor wrote: post #11

It feels like the author is giving Apple an undue free pass. He mentions Microsoft and Yahoo as other companies who've failed him with bad releases, and the subtext seems to be that Apple hasn't done significant wrong. To do so conveniently ignores how bad Windows versions of QuickTime, Safari, and iTunes have been at early stages.

I'm pretty sure MG just uses his Apple suite of devices for everything, so it's probably very hard for him to drum up any awareness of the problems with Apple stuff outside of that ecosystem.

It's hard for anyone to have the same bias about Google because there is no complete Google ecosystem yet, though they seem to be converging on it slowly, and from a software-only perspective.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by cageface »

I think Google's bigger problem is that they have a hard time keeping people's attention. They throw products over the fence with a lot of fanfare and then they just languish and eventually get killed. I haven't heard a peep about Google Music or TV for months now, for example. Most of the buzz about G+ lately has been the backlash for their ham-fisted and disingenuous handling of the real names issue.

I think they have a lot to learn about product marketing.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by Anti-Ratfish »

Kylekramer wrote: post #31
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a VAST difference between launching something simple and functional and then iterating to a solid, polished product, and launching something that sucks / is simply broken, and hoping people put up with it until you can get it right. Apple does the former; features for v1 of their products are almost always quite limited, but what is there is polished. Increasingly, Google seems to do the latter. It's not min…

You are honestly claiming Google products haven't been viable or working? That seems like quite the stretch.

Have you read the article or used the app? Broken is exactly what it is, and it's a Google product. So yes, I'd assume that's exactly what's being said.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by falling »

eberfreitas wrote: post #12
fleitz wrote: post #2

Google is good at algorithms, not software used by humans. Search is better than anyone else because the algorithms are better, Bing is much prettier. Same thing with AdSense no one can touch the CTR of adsense. Would anyone ever WANT to use the AdSense interface? No. Gmail was great because they figured out how to do giant inboxes at scale for cheap (and had awesome spam filtering), again, the strength was algorithm…

I personally think that Gmail's web interface is the best email client out there nowadays. I can't find any desktop software or webapp that is nearly as good, but that is my 2 cents.

If you are a Mac user, Lion's Mail is the first desktop client I can tolerate since April 2004.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by gnufied »

eberfreitas wrote: post #12
fleitz wrote: post #2

Google is good at algorithms, not software used by humans. Search is better than anyone else because the algorithms are better, Bing is much prettier. Same thing with AdSense no one can touch the CTR of adsense. Would anyone ever WANT to use the AdSense interface? No. Gmail was great because they figured out how to do giant inboxes at scale for cheap (and had awesome spam filtering), again, the strength was algorithm…

I personally think that Gmail's web interface is the best email client out there nowadays. I can't find any desktop software or webapp that is nearly as good, but that is my 2 cents.

Agreed. I haven't played with new UI too much yet, but the gmail interface was probably among the best web interfaces. And things just worked. It wasn't about 2GB limit per se (but it did create the buzz)

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by Kylekramer »

Anti-Ratfish wrote: post #43
Kylekramer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are honestly claiming Google products haven't been viable or working? That seems like quite the stretch.

Have you read the article or used the app? Broken is exactly what it is, and it's a Google product. So yes, I'd assume that's exactly what's being said.

"The native Gmail app isn’t really shit... it’s just buggy as fuck and extremely underwhelming."

I am not saying it is good app. It is weak and disappointing. I am saying that the philosophy MG is promoting where you must get everything right the first time is a distracting and unattainable goal.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by jcitme »

Kylekramer wrote: post #31
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a VAST difference between launching something simple and functional and then iterating to a solid, polished product, and launching something that sucks / is simply broken, and hoping people put up with it until you can get it right. Apple does the former; features for v1 of their products are almost always quite limited, but what is there is polished. Increasingly, Google seems to do the latter. It's not min…

You are honestly claiming Google products haven't been viable or working? That seems like quite the stretch.

If it crashes when I click on the biggest button I can see, it's not working.

I can make exceptions for edge cases (press a 6 key combo to trigger crash, etc) but if it can't even load, then no.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by gbog »

megablast wrote: post #38
tobtoh wrote: post #6

I found this paragraph to be insightful: "When Jobs took the stage to unveil something, people got excited not just because he was a great showman but because it instilled an underlying belief that what he was going to unveil would be great. You know that whatever it was, he signed off on it. And the vast majority of the time, it was great. That built trust. Faith." I have to agree - whilst Apple had it's stumbles fr…

As a fan of Apple, I see people seeming to forget the antenna issue from the iPhone 4, and the current battery issue with the iphone 4s. The final cut issue of a few months ago, and many, many other missteps. All big companies make mistakes, and i think this entry is singling out Google for some strange reason.

"this entry is singling out Google for some strange reason"

Nothing strange, it is the normal dumbing effect of Apple fanboyism: one become blind to anything else.

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