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The average consumer doesn’t know the difference nor care. They want to open webpages and have them work.
Plenty of webpages don't work in Safari because Safari doesn't ship the APIs that other browsers have been shipping for years.
The only pages that don't work in it are developed by people who believe that Chrome-only APIs are standard.
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On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. Imposing an artificial limit on iOS isn't how the web will move forward. > Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. I don't see Apple making any effort to diversify the browser ecosystem by making their browser available on other operating systems, so their inaction on other fro…
No one is using Firefox on mobile so it’s good for you, but not web on the whole. Also while an independent entity having a larger presence is better than Apple at least Apple having a large market share makes Google need to consider what happens in safari before they do something particularly shady with web standards
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> Short term, it's decidedly not good, but long term? How can we know? History. > If the approach is so inherently flawed that this result is an inevitability Only an inevitability due to attitudes like yours. Please stop contributing/pushing for the end of the open web.
Man, I use Firefox for Christ sake. You don't have to be anti open web to know letting anti-competitive behaviour run rampant is even worse than having the open web that we have today. Your perspective is as insane to me as mine is to you. Don't let a corporation make decisions about your computing freedom for you. Anti-competitive behaviour from both sides is why we're in this situation (Apple/Safari/Chrome) to begi…
Safari was created so Apple wouldn’t be totally dependent on MS for a web browser. They’ve been in that situation many times before (and since). Apple is allergic to depending on someone else for something really important.
Why does Chrome exist? Same reason. Google didn’t want to depend on being at the whims of Microsoft. They wanted to ensure they would have a browser that would do what they needed.
Both existed to open the internet more from what was going on at the time.
Now people want to kill one to let the other become triumphant.
That’s what makes no sense to me.
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I use Firefox on Android, it works great. Desktop-based extensions integrate pretty seamlessly, which I love
You are unfortunately part of the "no one" segment, that half a percent of mobile browser users internationally / across platforms - even less than Firefox's desktop share
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"Get FF or some other browser a healthy market share first" Why ? Open up the platform first.
One would say it would be disastrous to open a platform first and then take on Chrome because 1) Firefox cannot compete against Google endless resources m. Google will win, not a matter of it but will. 2) The time it takes to decouple chrome from google will be too long. It may just kill Firefox before any action can really be done.
If you force Apple to open up iOS then Chrome just takes it over and Safari will take such a hit that Apple will probably have to kill it. Then Google will own 99% of the portal to the web.
I think I'm arguing with a bunch of Libertarians though who think that an unregulated market is some kind of magic sauce that will conjure up a Chrome competitor out of thin air, and not a recipe for monopolization.
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On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. Imposing an artificial limit on iOS isn't how the web will move forward. > Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. I don't see Apple making any effort to diversify the browser ecosystem by making their browser available on other operating systems, so their inaction on other fro…
> On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. At the same time, most desktop computer users are able to use Firefox and we can see how often they choose to do so.
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> I don't know a single person anymore who uses Chrome. I find this very hard to believe. Everyone you know uses Firefox?
And Safari and Brave and Edge (so some use Blink).
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Lets face it - IE always just sucked. A lot. Whereas Chrome does not. Here on HN we might rail on it mainly for ideological reasons but the user experience is pretty solid. This is coming from a Firefox user.
Do you remember the early 2000's? IE was your only choice for a decent browser. Netscape was bordering obsolescence (bad CSS support, generally unstable, slow rendering.) Even Apple was shipping it on the Mac! It wasn't until the 2.0 release of Firefox in 2006 that there was finally a decent alternative.
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> Apple sets unreasonable rules. How? As a user I’m able to do the things I want with reasonable guarantees of privacy and security. Most developers that release iOS software seem to be doing ok with those “unreasonable” rules. And the user benefits. If I wanted Android, I would have bought Android. I bought Apple specifically because I see value as a user to those unreasonable rules.
As a user the harms are invisible to you. If you'd like to find out how it harms consumers, businesses, developers and the web, please read our regulatory submission "Bringing Competition to Walled Gardens": https://open-web-advocacy.org/files/OWA%20-%20Bringing%20Com...
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You are unfortunately part of the "no one" segment, that half a percent of mobile browser users internationally / across platforms - even less than Firefox's desktop share
You have to start somewhere
They've grown from 0.5% to 0.85% over three years[1]. I don't see how they're going to increase beyond that.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/272664/market-share-held...