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Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by kristiandupont »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #175
m-p-3 wrote: post #119

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On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. Imposing an artificial limit on iOS isn't how the web will move forward. > Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. I don't see Apple making any effort to diversify the browser ecosystem by making their browser available on other operating systems, so their inaction on other fro…

Apple owns their platform and not you. They aren't forcing you to choose it as a platform or telling you that you can't buy an Android phone in order to use Firefox.

In my opinion, the free market argument falls flat when we're speaking of a duopoly. The existence of one competitor whose policies are at least as bad or worse is not really choice.

Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #41

Anyone have a clue for me what the 'CMA' is? I assume it's not CMA China Shipping, nor the Country Music Association, nor a Certified Management Accountant certification. (I did try to figure it out on my own before asking) Thanks in advance.

Thank you both.

Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by lenkite »

CharlesW wrote: post #213
mtomweb wrote: post #200

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Quote: Mozilla believes that major platforms should be under an on-going duty to: Stop practices that distort competition on the merits and inhibit consumer choice, such as: ● interfering with consumer selection of alternative browsers and use of those browsers to access the internet from links and queries on their devices; and ● dictating or controlling browser components, such as browser engines, which prevent cons…

Mozilla is the Hiroo Onoda of browser makers. They should decommission Gecko and adopt WebKit, or just move to Blink and stop pretending to fight for web standards.

Yeah, everyone should kneel to Apple - they are the Real Web Gods. Of-course the Apple fanatics can continue to love and use bug-ridden Safari. The folks who want a choice can use something else.

Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by mtomweb »

thewebcount wrote: post #191
mtomweb wrote: post #155

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It's not misleading. Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. Instead Apple has forced them to produce separate browsers around a locked WebView that they exclusively control. Mozilla, Microsoft and Google have all spoken out against the ban in regulatory submission, and browser engineers at each vendor consider it a ban. The REAL browsers have been banned.

> Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. No they haven't! You can download each one here: [0], [1], [2]. They have been forbidden from using their own rendering engines. But they can still add all the chrome they want to the UI and do all their usual tracking like they do on the desktop. [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/... [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge…

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Post by colejohnson66 »

liminvorous wrote: post #32
MBCook wrote: post #30

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You don’t think Google will push Chrome to iOS users with banners when they search, use YouTube, Gmail, etc? That’s what they did on desktop.

They already do this in their Apps, e.g. gmail at least at one piont prompted you to install chrome whenever you tried to open a link in a browser.

YouTube also. Clicking links in the comments and descriptions prompts me to choose between "default browser" and installing Chrome. Every time.

Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by fartcannon »

vnkr wrote: post #229
tshaddox wrote: post #173

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> On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. At the same time, most desktop computer users are able to use Firefox and we can see how often they choose to do so.

I don't use FF on desktop partly because I don't use it on mobile and so can't sync open tabs, bookmarks, etc.

You can use Firefox on both desktop and mobile and sync it all. At least if your mobile is Android or Linux. And you can use ublock origin, too!

Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by sitkack »

jpgvm wrote: post #37
MBCook wrote: post #14

I’m going to ignore the security angle and post my big fear. Chrome has dominance similar to IE at the height of its popularity. Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. (Note: not why they’re doing it, just a side effect) People keep arguing Apple is being anti-competitive. But no one seems to recon with the possible consequences of what they’re asking for. And I fea…

I don't think the IE comparison is apt. IE shipped on (almost) every machine, had a ton of lock in features like ActiveX, etc. MS actively abused their monopoly position to make it so preventing default installation of Netscape by OEMs, incentivising ISVs to ensure web based enterprise products shipped with "Works best in Internet Explorer" etc. Netscape lost market share to IE not because it lost users but because w…

This is a pedantic and uncharitable take.

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Post by jenny91 »

techdragon wrote: post #201
jakub_g wrote: post #184

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According to stats from GitHub, 12% of their traffic is from Firefox. 3x more than Safari. https://github.blog/2022-06-10-how-we-think-about-browsers/ Of course this is just part of the story. In every country it's different. In some EU countries Firefox is up to 20%. In UK it's almost non-existent. Local markets shape the browser support. If a few major websites are too lazy to support a browser properly, users will…

GitHub visitors are definitely not a representative sample of the web browsing public.

Absolutely. Including the 2% from Python scripts :P

Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

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Post by googlryas »

cute_boi wrote: post #51
jpgvm wrote: post #37

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I don't think the IE comparison is apt. IE shipped on (almost) every machine, had a ton of lock in features like ActiveX, etc. MS actively abused their monopoly position to make it so preventing default installation of Netscape by OEMs, incentivising ISVs to ensure web based enterprise products shipped with "Works best in Internet Explorer" etc. Netscape lost market share to IE not because it lost users but because w…

Chrome is installed by default in android. The choice won't be preferred choice if website starts to put message like "Works best with Google Chrome".

No it isn't - that is a choice made by phone vendors to include it, but they are perfectly free to ship their phones with firefox, or opera, or no browser at all.

The android OS has no knowledge of chrome and it doesn't get any special handling or abilities like iOS/Safari.

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