I'm really confused. I actively use Firefox as my default browser on my iPhone running iOS 15.5.
I don't think Apple has banned other browsers at all.
Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
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A semantic nitpick that is totally irrelevant. Most people on this website usually mean Gecko when they say they want to use Firefox.
Really? You mean people don't use Firefox because: - it protects what's important - you can "Personalize your experience with new colorways." - has Facebook Container - syncs across your devices Mozilla knows the actual engine isn't the deciding factor when trying to get people to change browsers. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
You're on about regular Firefox, not iOS Firefox which is just a UI wrapped around a WebKit component.
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That's like saying all DAWs are skins of CoreAudio. Also, it assumes that Firefox's only value is Gecko.
Quote: Mozilla believes that major platforms should be under an on-going duty to: Stop practices that distort competition on the merits and inhibit consumer choice, such as: ● interfering with consumer selection of alternative browsers and use of those browsers to access the internet from links and queries on their devices; and ● dictating or controlling browser components, such as browser engines, which prevent cons…
Mozilla is the Hiroo Onoda of browser makers. They should decommission Gecko and adopt WebKit, or just move to Blink and stop pretending to fight for web standards.
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Every iOS browser today runs on Apple Webkit. No exceptions. Thats an apple rule.
Sorry. I didn’t notice you were talking about iOS only. I would hope mobile browser share numbers already take this into account, though I don’t know.
I think they pretty clearly dont since iOS is definitely more than 5% of the mobile market.
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It's not Apple's choice to make on whether or not Chrome becomes a browser monopoly - fighting anti-competitiveness with anti-competitiveness is not a solution. The chips will fall as they will and we will all be left to deal with the aftermath. That's the way it has to be.
> That's the way it has to be. What? Why? I assure you that's not how Google thought of it when they were facing off against Firefox and IE. They were putting Chrome installers in every SourceForge download and telling you to install Chrome when you searched Google. Why should their competitors lie down and let Chrome roll over them?
Did the Chrome installers install themselves? Besides, if users were already using other browsers, installing Chrome wouldn't have affected their existing browser's functionality. It was their choice to try out the new browser, and they could always go back to their old browser if they so desired.
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If you can break out the app sandbox on IOS, that is a flaw with IOS. These flaws could be exploited with any app that is using file parsing like the adobe photoshop app. The jailbreakme app wasn’t exploit on WebKit. It was iOS native pdf rendering Library. WebKit was used to deliver the exploit.
That is not a fair comparison. An entire browser engine has way more surface area for attack than a JPEG decoder.
It was just an example. What about a pdf editor/viewer like acrobat?
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#217I’m going to ignore the security angle and post my big fear. Chrome has dominance similar to IE at the height of its popularity. Whatever you think of their decisions, Apple is the only thing stopping a 90%+ Chrome web. (Note: not why they’re doing it, just a side effect) People keep arguing Apple is being anti-competitive. But no one seems to recon with the possible consequences of what they’re asking for. And I fea…
Chrome runs on all 3 major platforms. Safari does not. I think I'll side with Chrome and its dominance, because I don't want to be stuck on Mac.
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> On the other hand, this denies me from using an actual Mozilla Firefox web browser on iOS. At the same time, most desktop computer users are able to use Firefox and we can see how often they choose to do so.
> most desktop computer users are able to use Firefox Desktop-using software engineers can write software for desktop users in a ton of different ways. There's so much freedom and there exist multiple mechanisms and platforms to deploy your code. Desktop-using software engineers are not free to choose how to deploy software to mobile audiences. They've got to go through Apple to reach 50+% of the US market. Apple set…
> Apple sets unreasonable rules.
How? As a user I’m able to do the things I want with reasonable guarantees of privacy and security. Most developers that release iOS software seem to be doing ok with those “unreasonable” rules. And the user benefits. If I wanted Android, I would have bought Android. I bought Apple specifically because I see value as a user to those unreasonable rules.
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#220Apple claiming security as a reason for monopoly, how classic. The EU's digital markets act bans the only Safari lock on IOS, so this is gone whether apple likes it or not. (1 - sorry couldn't find a better source) Safari is the new IE, there is a difference between a monopoly while still being able to use a competing product (like chrome in other platfroms), and forcing Safari(WebKit) while hindering the web because…
> Safari is the new IE, there is a difference between a monopoly while still being able to use a competing product (like chrome in other platfroms), and forcing Safari(WebKit) while hindering the web because of Apples interests.(2-3) Ehm. Chrome is the new IE. Apple is using anti-competitive methods but its far far away from market domination. Microsoft is doing even more, by pushing so much Edge-only stuff. On iOS A…
IEs biggest problem isn't market domination, its hindering the entire web, and pushing proprietary stuff.
Safari is one of the worst browsers in terms of compatibility, like PWAs and notifications, they are unsupported on purpose to push developer to develop apps and give apple a cut. And when they do adopt new technologies, they are often super late like webp.
Please die WebKit.