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Re: The need for world government

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what would be the global policy on abortion? Probably none. I agree with the author that we need world government, but it would be stupid to have the highest level of government stipulate all laws for every nation, state, province, county, town and village beneath it.

One could say that about the Americans but they do it almost compulsively, and completely ignore levels of government where nearly everything actually happens. Many current American problems are locally managed including housing and real estate but so much energy goes to the President, partly because he -pertains to- so many people. Many people are explicit that whatever is on their minds must be done “nationally”. W…

The reason we have to force states into the 21st century is because they are holding the cities hostage. Local government only works if you keep going all the way down.

If Austin can't make abortion legal, Texas can't make it illegal.

Re: The need for world government

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One could say that about the Americans but they do it almost compulsively, and completely ignore levels of government where nearly everything actually happens. Many current American problems are locally managed including housing and real estate but so much energy goes to the President, partly because he -pertains to- so many people. Many people are explicit that whatever is on their minds must be done “nationally”. W…

What’s to stop this pattern from repeating at a greater scale? A well-designed constitution would be a start. Not that there is an air-tight guarantee that a government won't turn bad. But we currently have over a half dozen governments with nuclear weapons. On the whole, I'd rather just worry about one.

One you can’t leave

Re: The need for world government

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> The mother decided to have unprotected sex Or she was raped, or nobody taught her anything but religious abstinence bullshit and she didn't even know the ramifications. > The body inside her body is not hers So if you take that "body" inside her out of her, what happens to it? It dies unless it's the late stages (what, 6 months in?) It's entirely dependent on her to grow to become a human being.

Rape is less than 2% of abortions. Even then, because my father was a horrible person I shouldn’t have to die for it. We don’t need to use rare edge cases to validate the 98% of abortions which are out of convenience. I’m not talking about abstinence, plenty of birth control options are available. Men need to take more responsibility and wear a condom. > So if you take that "body" inside her out of her, what happens…

No method is 100% safe - and we are talking about something that happens multiple times for most people, it will fail due to pure statistics.

Re: The need for world government

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Abortion should be a human right. All countries that don’t respect that should pay huge fines. Thanks for giving that example.

Counterpoint: Abortion is murder. All countries that don’t respect that should pay huge fines. See how silly you’re being? The parent comment already shared that large parts of the world have different values. I’d be curious of your take when your proposed value isn’t chosen and there is no recourse.

In no other case is a human being, living or dead, legally required to give up their organs, bodily fluids, or other part of themselves, nor to literally risk their lives, for another human being.

Corpses have more bodily autonomy than women after Dobbs.

Re: The need for world government

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Counterpoint: Abortion is murder. All countries that don’t respect that should pay huge fines. See how silly you’re being? The parent comment already shared that large parts of the world have different values. I’d be curious of your take when your proposed value isn’t chosen and there is no recourse.

In no other case is a human being, living or dead , legally required to give up their organs, bodily fluids, or other part of themselves, nor to literally risk their lives, for another human being. Corpses have more bodily autonomy than women after Dobbs.

I do not understand your comment.

> In no other case is a human being, living or dead, legally required to give up their organs, bodily fluids, or other part of themselves, nor to literally risk their lives, for another human being.

In many other cases are humans legally required to literally risk their lives for another human being. Would you like me to give you examples?

> Corpses have more bodily autonomy than women after Dobbs.

I guess this is something US specific?

You have not addressed anything in the comment you're replying to. I think the right to abortion is the less bad of the two options, but I can also understand the people who say that abortion is murder. Can't you?

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> Authoritarian is forcing a mother to have a child she doesn’t want! It’s her body! And many pro-life folks say that you're killing a child. It's his/her body. We don't allow parents to to kill 'inconvenient' child post-birth† so according to their argument neither should we pre-birth. † Well: * https://www.government.nl/topics/euthanasia/euthanasia-and-n... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After-birth_abortion * htt…

It’s not yet a child when you perform an abortion!

When does the fetus become a child?

Re: The need for world government

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In no other case is a human being, living or dead , legally required to give up their organs, bodily fluids, or other part of themselves, nor to literally risk their lives, for another human being. Corpses have more bodily autonomy than women after Dobbs.

I do not understand your comment. > In no other case is a human being, living or dead, legally required to give up their organs, bodily fluids, or other part of themselves, nor to literally risk their lives, for another human being. In many other cases are humans legally required to literally risk their lives for another human being. Would you like me to give you examples? > Corpses have more bodily autonomy than wom…

If abortion is murder, then is refusing to donate your kidney when someone else needs it to live also murder?

Is refusing to donate blood, bone marrow, etc, murder?

Is not mandating the donation of viable organs after death murder?

None of these things are required of people, in the name of bodily autonomy. None of these inactions are considered murder. And yet you expect women to donate their bodies for 9 months to something that is not yet a person, and take the very, very real risk of injury, permanent disability, or death, and the near-certainty that their bodies will never be the same again, to support what you call a human life.

The logic does not follow. It does not matter whether life begins at conception, at first heartbeat, at differentiated brain development, or at birth: In no case other than pregnancy is a human being societally expected or legally required to give even a part of their body to keep another human being alive, regardless of how safe the procedure may be.

Re: The need for world government

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Authoritarian is forcing a mother to have a child she doesn’t want! It’s her body! If you force your opinion on something that should be exclusively her concern then you are the “authoritarian”

It's not her body since conception. It's another human's body inside her body. I personally don't think we should have governments protecting lives or rights or anyone - therefore if abortion happens that's unfortunate but I wouldn't spend resources chasing that. That said abortion is obviously murder and immoral, no matter how convenient it can be.

That you claim 'abortion is obviously murder' shows you don't even understand the position of those who claim it isn't. Go do more research on the side you don't hold.

Re: The need for world government

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What’s to stop this pattern from repeating at a greater scale? A well-designed constitution would be a start. Not that there is an air-tight guarantee that a government won't turn bad. But we currently have over a half dozen governments with nuclear weapons. On the whole, I'd rather just worry about one.

One you can’t leave

Yes, that's the proposition: potential bad government instead of potential extinction.

Re: The need for world government

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An embryo is not a human

> An embryo is not a human So a human female and a human male copulate and they conceive something not-human? What species is it if it is not Homo sapiens ? If it is not Homo sapiens , why does it apparently have human DNA (distinct from either the female and male that were involved)? Why is it that when two humans copulate, they produce something not-human, but when every other mammal pairs copulate they produce som…

Judaism, as an example, does not consider the embryo to be human, but instead to be 'potential human', and doesn't consider it human or ensouled until it is birthed. A large number of people who believe abortion is murder do so because they are Christian, a religion that spawned from Judaism, yet they don't even understand their Old Testament as well as the Jews do.
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