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Re: The need for world government

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Post by jokethrowaway »

The major flaw of any centralised entity is that power hungry and corrupt individuals will be attracted to the top and the honest people won't want to do anything with it.

We already see it in our local governments. We even see it in larger corporations. It's even visible, with decreasing rarity based on the size of group, in a building administration group or in a group of friends who pool money to do something.

This reasoning makes me think we should go to decentralisation and federation until the power being wielded is minuscole, ideally being limited only to your person and your private property.

There can be several iterations, the ultimate being a free society where individuals are the only structure and transactions are an voluntary (eg. No governments at all, private everything)

Re: The need for world government

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Post by sofixa »

zthrowaway wrote: post #47
freedom2099 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authoritarian is forcing a mother to have a child she doesn’t want! It’s her body! If you force your opinion on something that should be exclusively her concern then you are the “authoritarian”

The mother decided to have unprotected sex. There’s a reason women get pregnant. This isn’t some magical thing that is forced on women. Cause and effect. The body inside her body is not hers. Unfortunately biology does not conform to our fantasyland. Forcing those who are against this to pay a fine is against their will.

> The mother decided to have unprotected sex

Or she was raped, or nobody taught her anything but religious abstinence bullshit and she didn't even know the ramifications.

> The body inside her body is not hers

So if you take that "body" inside her out of her, what happens to it? It dies unless it's the late stages (what, 6 months in?) It's entirely dependent on her to grow to become a human being.

Re: The need for world government

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Post by jokethrowaway »

freedom2099 wrote: post #40
zthrowaway wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many don’t believe this is a human right, and you enforcing this on them is going against their will. This is authoritarian.

Authoritarian is forcing a mother to have a child she doesn’t want! It’s her body! If you force your opinion on something that should be exclusively her concern then you are the “authoritarian”

It's not her body since conception. It's another human's body inside her body.

I personally don't think we should have governments protecting lives or rights or anyone - therefore if abortion happens that's unfortunate but I wouldn't spend resources chasing that.

That said abortion is obviously murder and immoral, no matter how convenient it can be.

Re: The need for world government

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Post by sofixa »

sparkie wrote: post #26
ultim8k wrote: post #17

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Abortion should be a human right. All countries that don’t respect that should pay huge fines. Thanks for giving that example.

Pay fines to who? What about the human rights of the unborn babies?

Legally they aren't humans, and hence have no rights, until birth.

Re: The need for world government

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Post by mordae »

throw93232 wrote: post #29
telmo wrote: post #20

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What do you mean? Nothing is perfect but the EU has been a net positive for its member states. It is approved of by a majority of its citizens across all countries. The EU created one of the most prosperous (for the common person), free and tolerant societies on earth. You can make all the snarky remarks you want, but if you were reincarnating right now as some random human and you learned that you reincarnated as a…

》The EU created one of the most prosperous (for the common person), free and tolerant societies on earth. House arrest several months a year, forced experimental vaccination, forbidden to heat house at winter, soon forbidden to use car, forced indoctrination of children, oposition parties banned or under surveillance, censorship, surveillance of private communications, overt racism and sexism... My family has been th…

Some of your points are valid, but I still wouldn't choose to live in neither Russia, China, India nor northern America.

I do think about emigration from time to time, but despite all the problems, EU really is the most livable place on Earth.

Re: The need for world government

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Post by eurasiantiger »

barry-cotter wrote: post #36
ultim8k wrote: post #17

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Abortion should be a human right. All countries that don’t respect that should pay huge fines. Thanks for giving that example.

This is why one world government will happen at the barrel of a gun, if ever.

It will happen through a global catastrophe where the emerging authority plays the savior of the human race.

Re: The need for world government

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Post by thoms_a »

vbezhenar wrote: post #43

I'm pretty sure we do have world government. May be not a single person, but something like a council of few most powerful persons. I bet they include Rothschild, Rockefeller, may be someone else. And most powerful governments are controlled by that council.

More precisely, we have an aspirational world government led by the American Empire which is run by a few extremely wealthy and powerful elite families, including the ones you've alluded to. Of course, these powerful families own all the media companies and thus control how they are covered in the mainstream media, which explains their absence and subsequent emphasis on politically inconsequential billionaires like Musk.

The American Empire is run via these families through a distributed influence network of private companies, NGOs, think tanks and PACs [1]. Although made up of many entities, they are funded by the same few individuals. Thus, this is a very difficult system to reform without immense capital expenditure.

The countries which do not submit to this order are the designated public enemies (we have always been at war with Eastasia). Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea being the most prominent of these.

Disclaimer: I am a deeply committed conspiracy theorist who also believes in the Earth being flat, so please take everything I say as the ramblings of a kook (especially any hardworking federal employees perusing HN)!

1. https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the...

Re: The need for world government

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Post by sofixa »

jka wrote: post #48
inglor_cz wrote: post #15

"It seems obvious to me that planetary problems demand planetary government." That does not seem obvious to me at all. And I can't imagine a common set of governing principles acceptable to Iceland, China, Russia and the Taliban. For example, looking at what is currently rocking the U.S., what would be the global policy on abortion?

> what would be the global policy on abortion? The U.N. Human Rights Committee has a recent (2019) publication[1], "General comment no. 36, Article 6 (Right to Life)" that contains an entry that is relevant to this question. Page two, item eight under "General Remarks": "Although States parties may adopt measures designed to regulate voluntary termination of pregnancy, those measures must not result in violation of t…

So Poland and US restrictions are blatantly against the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. That's a fun fact to know.

Re: The need for world government

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Post by jokethrowaway »

ilammy wrote: post #23
enykeev wrote: post #14

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So it sounds like we need multiple world governments operating over the same area rather than having a bunch of monopolies around the globe.

Which is exactly what we already have. There is what your local government says you should be doing, and there is what your friendly (or not so much) neighborhood superpowers say your government should be doing.

Incorrect, we should have multiple hospital providers and multiple protection services available in the same space.

Moving country is not always easy

Re: The need for world government

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Post by HKH2 »

Big countries such as the US, Russia and China are already difficult to manage due to their size. Won't that problem be exacerbated if you make one big country?

Also, isn't it better to have split testing?

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